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ROYC75 · 02:02 PM

Discussion: All things Broncos.

BlackOp · 09-03-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The only reason Wilson isn’t 2-6 in the playoffs since the SB fiasco in 2014 is bc the Vikings kicker (great find Paton!) missed a 27 yard chip shot for the win.

I remember that game. It was one the biggest choke jobs in recent memory...actually felt bad for Vikings fans.

I didnt remember it was was against the Seahawks...they should have lost that game.

BlackOp · 09-03-2022, 01:12 PM

Interesting...in 2020, Wilson started hot then DCs starting taking away his tendency to throw outside...it doesn't appeared he's solved that puzzle since.

First 8 games..305 ypg, 28 Tds
Final 8 games...208 ypg, 12 Tds

2021 14 games 222 ypg, 25 Tds

He's averaging 215 YPG over his last season and a half...and was actually slightly better last year than at the end of 2020. So the injury excuse doenst hold water...

Quesadilla Joe · 09-03-2022, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

The only reason Wilson isn’t 2-6 in the playoffs since the SB fiasco in 2014 is bc the Vikings kicker (great find Paton!) missed a 27 yard chip shot for the win.

He’s proven time and time again that he needs an elite defense to have any chance of winning in the playoffs.

But hey his 2 wins over Detroit and Josh McCown were sure great. Did I mention his defense gave up a combined 15 points in those 2 games?

Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.

Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:

Spoiler!

The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.

If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).

The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.

In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.

Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.

For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/qb-hub/t...ades-catch-22/

BlackOp · 09-03-2022, 01:25 PM

One thing I mentioned a few months ago...and one of the more interesting subplots of opening weekend. Carroll is a defensive minded HC...he saw how teams starting playing Moobs plus knows his weaknesses better than any other team.

It's been said many times that Wilson can only play one style of offense...which would echo his last year and a half. The 2021 experiment with a new OC didn't go well...

Seahawks could very well be laying out a blueprint for defending him in week one...kind of a rare occurrence in the first game.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-03-2022, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

I remember that game. It was one the biggest choke jobs in recent memory...actually felt bad for Vikings fans.

I didnt remember it was was against the Seahawks...they should have lost that game.

Look at this clutch, no panic motherf'er.

RunKC · 09-03-2022, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Russ is elite and you know it. You were much more effusive in your praise of Russ shortly after the trade than you are now. You were one of the few Chiefs fans on CP who knew how much Russ was being held back by Pete Carroll.

Here is Joe Banner to remind you of the things you've, apparently, forgotten over the past 6 months:

Spoiler!

The AFC West is an exceptionally strong division with young QBs that will be performing at a very high level for many years. The Denver Broncos were therefore in a uniquely challenging spot because their roster is strong, but they didn’t have a chance to compete in their division without a quality QB. This gave the Broncos no choice but to be aggressive in the trade market. They needed to acquire not just a better quarterback than who they had but a true difference-maker. Russell Wilson is that guy; he is an elite NFL QB and gives them a chance to compete with Mahomes, Herbert, and Carr.

If anything, Wilson has been held back by Seattle’s consistently weak offensive line and run-heavy scheme. Since Russ entered the league in 2012, the Seahawks are 27th in early-down pass rate (49.4%).

The Broncos’ roster is also strong enough to withstand the loss of draft picks they are sending to Seattle. They will still have nine picks in the 2022 Draft. As long as Russ continues to play at a high level and their young core continues to develop, trading these picks to Seattle will not hamstring them.

In light of the circumstances they found themselves in, Denver was smart to make this trade. The price they paid was certainly justifiable to bring in a Super Bowl winning quarterback. Wilson not only won a Super Bowl, but he did it in his second season then won the NFC again in the following season. He should have two rings, and it’s not like those teams were winning in spite of him. Seattle had good teams then, not great ones, and Russ was a huge part of why they went to back-to-back Super Bowls.

Despite having such substantial success early in his career, it is not unreasonable to think that Russ’ best seasons are ahead of him. The team hasn’t performed well, but that isn’t because of Wilson. He has played well and has had to overcome the coaching staff’s conservative philosophy.

For all of these reasons, the Broncos deserve to be commended for making a bold move that they desperately needed to make in order to be competitive.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/qb-hub/t...ades-catch-22/

Elite QB’s don’t lose countless playoff games and only beat scrubs/poor franchises. He hasn’t beaten and legit team in the playoffs since Marshawn and the LOB was carrying him

RunKC · 09-03-2022, 01:42 PM

I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.

And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years

**notorious** · 09-03-2022, 01:44 PM

This thread always dies off at around week 8-9.

**New World Order** · 09-03-2022, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Elite QB’s don’t lose countless playoff games and only beat scrubs/poor franchises. He hasn’t beaten and legit team in the playoffs since Marshawn and the LOB was carrying him

Russell lost a home playoff game to John Wolford and Jared Goff

Pasta Little Brioni · 09-03-2022, 01:55 PM

He's been nothing without Lynch and the Boom

Quesadilla Joe · 09-03-2022, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.

And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years

Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes.

Quesadilla Joe · 09-03-2022, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I like how Knowmo says Andy Reid isn’t elite bc of his playoff troubles but won’t say that about Wilson who has been as bad as Alex Smith in the playoffs.

And there’s a track record of this happening for 8 years

Careful. He went to, and won, just as many Super Bowls as Mahomes his first three years. i don't think Mahomes is going to replicate his early success either. Russ was Mahomes before Mahomes.

Sassy Squatch · 09-03-2022, 02:02 PM

Friendly reminder that Russell Wilson has never received a single MVP vote.

Pepe Silvia · 09-03-2022, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Yup

*looks around to see if the coast is clear*

Russell Wilson hasn't won a playoff game where his opponent scored a touchdown since 2014.
— Barry (@BarryOnHere) September 3, 2022

All Wilson needs is yellow hankies.

BlackOp · 09-03-2022, 02:13 PM

I was really surprised how bad Sutton's numbers were...considering the media acts like he's a legit #1 WR. Those were WR3 stats...0 TDs over the final 10 games?

What happens now...Patrick and Fant are gone. It appears defenses were able to neutralize him even when those two were playing.

60% of their skill position TD production is gone...and they replaced them with serious JAGS.

That's going to be trouble...no matter who your QB is.

stumppy · 09-03-2022, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Friendly reminder that Russell Wilson has never received a single MVP vote.

Not one, never at all, never ever ever has he gotten a vote for MVP.

NEVER.

How much did the doncos pay him?

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09-03-2022, 01:12 PM	#47702
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $4595267	Interesting...in 2020, Wilson started hot then DCs starting taking away his tendency to throw outside...it doesn't appeared he's solved that puzzle since. First 8 games..305 ypg, 28 Tds Final 8 games...208 ypg, 12 Tds 2021 14 games 222 ypg, 25 Tds He's averaging 215 YPG over his last season and a half...and was actually slightly better last year than at the end of 2020. So the injury excuse doenst hold water...
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BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $4595267	One thing I mentioned a few months ago...and one of the more interesting subplots of opening weekend. Carroll is a defensive minded HC...he saw how teams starting playing Moobs plus knows his weaknesses better than any other team. It's been said many times that Wilson can only play one style of offense...which would echo his last year and a half. The 2021 experiment with a new OC didn't go well... Seahawks could very well be laying out a blueprint for defending him in week one...kind of a rare occurrence in the first game. Last edited by BlackOp; 09-03-2022 at 01:49 PM..
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09-03-2022, 02:13 PM	#47715
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $4595267	I was really surprised how bad Sutton's numbers were...considering the media acts like he's a legit #1 WR. Those were WR3 stats...0 TDs over the final 10 games? What happens now...Patrick and Fant are gone. It appears defenses were able to neutralize him even when those two were playing. 60% of their skill position TD production is gone...and they replaced them with serious JAGS. That's going to be trouble...no matter who your QB is.
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