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Discussion: All things Broncos.

Mile High Mania · 08-26-2022, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

According to NFL.com and ESPN...Wilson is waltzing into a talent situation "few QB have ever experienced"...and the #4 OL in the league.

Surely, JG could thrive in that "a once in a lifetime" situation too...

Yeah, but even JG's prior environments never resulted in a title.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-26-2022, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Let me frame it another way...would you trade Garoppolo, Lock, Fant, Harris,
2022 1st-round pick (9th), 2nd (41st) and 5th, 2023 1st and 2nd for 33 year old Wilson and his new contract?

That's essentially what it would have been in the end....

Yes. The 49ers gave up three #1 picks for an unproven Trey Lance. I don't see why Denver wouldn't give up that for a 9x Pro Bowl QB, who's still in his prime and who plans on playing for the next decade.

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

He would be the best QB your team has had since Manning without giving up the future...while keeping an eye open for developing a future QB.

Jimmy G probably would've been.

I know you don't believe this, but it's true: Denver has a Super Bowl caliber roster right now. The only thing they were missing is an elite QB. Russell Wilson thought the same thing, which is why he chose to come to Denver over many other suitors.

FlaChief58 · 08-26-2022, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Yes. The 49ers gave up three #1 picks for an unproven Trey Lance. I don't see why Denver wouldn't give up that for a 9x Pro Bowl QB, who's still in his prime and who plans on playing for the next decade.

Jimmy G probably would've been.

I know you don't believe this, but it's true: Denver has a Super Bowl caliber roster right now. The only thing they were missing is an elite QB. Russell Wilson thought the same thing, which is why he chose to come to Denver over many other suitors.

Last place teams are never just one player away frome a SB.

Decent to good teams sure, occasionally, , but dungver isn't one of those. Plus you have an all new coaching staff and system. Let's say all the moves private paton made work out, you're still a minimum of 3 years away from being a serious contender.

BlackOp · 08-26-2022, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, but even JG's prior environments never resulted in a title.

Neither will Wilson's time in Denver...so in the end, it's a moot point.

You guys have really bought the media kool-aid that your team has an amazing roster that was only a Wilson away...

I see a team with little to no top tier talent...which is evident by both top 100 lists and void of any pro-bowl/all-pro players. They have a handful of above average players...

Donk fans do this every year...thinking a newly acquired player's past performance will somehow change once he is in the magic-land of Denver...and they always end up being what they always were...often times, worse.

Mile High Mania · 08-26-2022, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58

Last place teams are never just one player away frome a SB.

Agreed.

BlackOp · 08-26-2022, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

YDenver wouldn't give up that for a 9x Pro Bowl QB, who's still in his prime and who plans on playing for the next decade.

Wilson is NOT is his prime...his prime years were predicated on elusiveness and buying time. That aspect is already showing signs of decline...he's not going to magically become faster because there is a horse on his helmet.

Quesadilla Joe · 08-26-2022, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Wilson is NOT is his prime...his prime years were predicated on elusiveness and buying time. That aspect is already showing signs of decline...

Russell Wilson threw more TD passes from 2017-2020 (4 years) than he did from 2012-2016 (5 years). Last year, despite playing three games with a torn tendon in his throwing hand, he threw for more TD's per game than he did in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016.

He is definitely still in his prime, and will be for at least the next 5 years.

Red Dawg · 08-26-2022, 12:40 PM

If Wilson is so awsome and elite then why were his teams so shitty. He had Metcalf and Lockett but his stats are ordinary. His wrs are worse than that on Denver. He can't carry a team with his arm and never has done anything without an elite defense.

staylor26 · 08-26-2022, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Russell Wilson threw more TD passes from 2017-2020 (4 years) than he did from 2012-2016 (5 years). Last year, despite playing three games with a torn tendon in his throwing hand, he threw for more TD's per game than he did in 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2016.

He is definitely still in his prime, and will be for at least the next 5 years.

FlaChief58 · 08-26-2022, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

If Wilson is so awsome and elite then why were his teams so shitty. He had Metcalf and Lockett but his stats are ordinary. His wrs are worse than that on Denver. He can't carry a team with his arm and never has done anything without an elite defense.

You'll never convince him before he takes off in October as usual. Then he'll be back next spring to try and convince us that THIS year is the year.... rinse and repeat

Quesadilla Joe · 08-26-2022, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

If Wilson is so awsome and elite then why were his teams so shitty. He had Metcalf and Lockett but his stats are ordinary. His wrs are worse than that on Denver. He can't carry a team with his arm and never has done anything without an elite defense.

"Ordinary" stats.

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Let's play, "Which one's Mahomes!"

68.2%
2.32 TD's per game
.60 INT's per game

OR

66.3%
2.34 TD's per game
.59 INT's per game

* These numbers were from the past two seasons.
** Two games where Russ came back too early from injury were removed
*** Mahomes has Andy Reid calling plays for him
**** One of these QB's are supposedly showing severe signs of regression

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TEX · 08-26-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FlaChief58

You'll never convince him before he takes off in October as usual. Then he'll be back next spring to try and convince us that THIS year is the year.... rinse and repeat

Exactly!

FlaChief58 · 08-26-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

"Ordinary" stats.

.

Who's this?

Won Mvp
Won SB
Won SB MVP
led his team to four straight AFCCG
Threw for 5k yards and 50 td
Did all this in his first 4 years

RunKC · 08-26-2022, 12:55 PM

Russell Wilson has won one playoff game in the last 5 years and that lone win was over Josh McCown.

He’s been drastically underwhelming

Sassy Squatch · 08-26-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Russell Wilson has won one playoff game in the last 5 years and that lone win was over Josh McCown.

He’s been drastically underwhelming

Oof.

Didn't he lose to Goff with a surgically repaired thumb as well? Donald missed the 2nd half as well, iirc.

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