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**DaFace** · 07:17 AM

Since a number of cool things are happening in space exploration these days, we'll widen the scope of this thread a smidge. Conversation about all things space exploration are welcome, whether it be from NASA, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or anyone else. Chances are most of the discussion will still be about SpaceX since they love to make things public and fun, but nothing's off limits. I'll eventually get around to modifying the OP to include resources for other companies too, but in the meantime, feel free to post any cool stuff you run across.

Lists of Upcoming Missions

Spoiler!

How to Watch a Live Launch

Spoiler!

Where to Learn More

Spoiler!

Glossary

Spoiler!

Space discussions tend to get a little bogged down in jargon, so here's a list of terms you might encounter. (Others, please let me know of others that should be added.)

ASDS - Autonomous Spaceport Droneship - The "barges" that they sometimes land rockets on.
Dragon - The cone-shaped capsule that sits at the top of the rocket for ISS-bound launches that holds the cargo (or, in the future, humans).
F9 - Falcon 9, the name of the rocket itself.
FH - Falcon Heavy, the three-booster version.
GTO - Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit, a type of orbit that will eventually result in the satellite orbiting the earth as it turns so that it seems to be in the same spot from the ground (such as DirecTV or Dish satellites). These types of launches are particularly challenging because they require a lot of power to get them into the right orbit, leaving very little fuel left for landing.
HIF - Horizontal Integration Facility - the building near the launch pad where they put all of the pieces of the rocket together before rolling it out to the pad.
ISS - The International Space Station
JRTI - Just Read The Instructions, the name of the "barge" that they land on for west-coast launches.
LEO - Low Earth Orbit, a fairly low orbit shared by many satellites and ISS. These launches usually require less power to achieve the proper orbit, so the first stage can often be landed back on land rather than on a drone ship.
LZ1 - Landing Zone 1, basically a big open slab of concrete at Cape Canaveral where the first stage will attempt to land (for some launches).
NET - No Earlier Than, basically the date they're hoping to launch, but rocket launches have a tendency of getting delayed.
OCISLY - Of Course I Still Love You, the name of the "barge" that they land on for east-coast launches.
RTLS - Return to Landing Site, a mission where the first stage comes back and lands at LZ1.
Starship - SpaceX's next-generation rocket (and spacecraft) that will hopefully one day take us to Mars. Starship is the "second stage" that will carry cargo or people, but also refers to the whole system. (It's confusing, but think of it like the Space Shuttle, which was both the shuttle itself and the entire launch system.)
Super Heavy - The giant booster that will carry Starship to space.

**Donger** · 09-25-2021, 04:23 PM

An alarm went off on SpaceX's all-tourist space flight. The problem was the toilet

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/25/tech/...scn/index.html

Deberg_1990 · 09-30-2021, 01:33 PM

Finished watching the Netflix series. Very good!

**Baby Lee** · 10-01-2021, 01:23 AM

I was really excited to watch, this;

Darker flipside inside spoiler

Spoiler!

Otter · 10-01-2021, 04:45 AM

eDave · 10-01-2021, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

The moment when me and my amazing crew, @rookisaacman, @ArceneauxHayley, @ChrisSembroski opened up the @SpaceX cupola for the first time, a true highlight of the @inspiration4x mission. Make sure you tune into Countdown on @netflix to see more epic moments from space! @TIME pic.twitter.com/AKmturr9Du
— Dr. Sian “Leo” Proctor (@DrSianProctor) September 21, 2021

"Holy shit" is not something I'd ever ever heard from space before.

Fish · 10-01-2021, 11:34 PM

After two decades, the Webb telescope is finished and on the way to its launch site

A ship carrying the $10 billion James Webb Space Telescope left a port in Southern California last weekend to begin a nearly two-week journey to Kourou, French Guiana, where it will begin final preparations for launch Dec. 18 on a European Ariane 5 rocket.

“The James Webb Space Telescope is finished,” said Paul Hertz, head of NASA’s astrophysics division, in a presentation to the Astronomy and Astrophysics Advisory Committee earlier this week. “We’ve stopped working on it. It’s on the way to the launch pad for a launch on Dec. 18.”

Eric Smith, NASA’s program scientist for the Webb telescope, confirmed Wednesday the observatory has departed the United States after completing final testing at a Northrop Grumman facility in Redondo Beach, California.

“We are in transit to Kourou, having left the continental United States now,” Smith said in the advisory committee meeting.

NASA is keeping specific schedule details about the observatory’s journey under wraps for security reasons. The vessel carrying the Webb telescope will traverse the Panama Canal to cross from the Pacific Ocean to the Caribbean Sea, then complete the voyage to Kourou, French Guiana.

Smith said mission managers have 13 days of schedule margin to have Webb ready for launch Dec. 18. Liftoff is scheduled in the mid-morning, local time, in French Guiana.

Besides the hands-on work on Webb itself, Smith said NASA and ESA will closely watch the launch of an Ariane 5 rocket next month with an SES commercial communications satellite and a French military spacecraft. Webb’s launch date of Dec. 18 hinges a successful outcome of that mission.

The shipment of the Webb telescope to French Guiana follows a series of tests at Northrop Grumman to ensure the spacecraft can withstand the rigors of launch. The testing subjected the observatory to the vibrations and sound energy it will see inside the payload shroud of its Ariane 5 launcher.

Then engineers performed final tests to unfurl the observatory’s mirrors and sunshield, checking that the deployment mechanisms are ready to go. It was the last time Webb’s components will deploy into flight configuration before liftoff.

With those tests complete, crews at Northrop Grumman folded up the observatory and put it in a climate-controlled shipping container for the trip to French Guiana.

Webb, a successor to the Hubble Space Telescope, is a joint project between NASA, the European Space Agency, and the Canadian Space Agency. The observatory’s total cost is near $10 billion, making Webb the most expensive and complex science mission ever launched.

Design work on Webb began in the 1990s, and NASA awarded a contract to Northrop Grumman in 2002 to oversee construction of the observatory. With the shipment of Webb to Kourou, the project is in the home stretch before launch.

One of ESA’s contributions is the Ariane 5 rocket that will launch Webb toward its operating post nearly a million miles (1.5 million kilometers) from Earth.

After launch, the observatory will begin a make-or-break sequence of deployments to extend its solar array, high-gain antenna, and mirror segments. Webb also has a five-layer sunshield to shade its mirrors, detectors and science instruments, keeping the telescope colder than minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit, or minus 223 degrees Celsius.

Made of aluminum-coated Kapton, each sunshield layer is as thin as a human hair. The sunshade will expand to the size of a tennis court once Webb is in space.

The observatory’s infrared instruments will peer into the oldest, most distant reaches of the universe to study some of the first stars and galaxies that formed after the Big Bang more than 13.5 billion years ago.

Astronomers will also use Webb to look at how galaxies form and evolve, to study the birth of stars, and to learn more about the atmospheres of planets that may be hospitable for life outside our solar system.

[...]

**DaFace** · 10-03-2021, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish

After two decades, the Webb telescope is finished and on the way to its launch site

A ship carrying the $10 billion James Webb Space Telescope left a port in Southern California last weekend to begin a nearly two-week journey to Kourou, French Guiana, where it will begin final preparations for launch Dec. 18 on a European Ariane 5 rocket.

“The James Webb Space Telescope is finished,” said Paul Hertz, head of NASA’s astrophysics division, in a presentation to the Astronomy and Astrophysics Advisory Committee earlier this week. “We’ve stopped working on it. It’s on the way to the launch pad for a launch on Dec. 18.”

Eric Smith, NASA’s program scientist for the Webb telescope, confirmed Wednesday the observatory has departed the United States after completing final testing at a Northrop Grumman facility in Redondo Beach, California.

“We are in transit to Kourou, having left the continental United States now,” Smith said in the advisory committee meeting.

NASA is keeping specific schedule details about the observatory’s journey under wraps for security reasons. The vessel carrying the Webb telescope will traverse the Panama Canal to cross from the Pacific Ocean to the Caribbean Sea, then complete the voyage to Kourou, French Guiana.

Smith said mission managers have 13 days of schedule margin to have Webb ready for launch Dec. 18. Liftoff is scheduled in the mid-morning, local time, in French Guiana.

Besides the hands-on work on Webb itself, Smith said NASA and ESA will closely watch the launch of an Ariane 5 rocket next month with an SES commercial communications satellite and a French military spacecraft. Webb’s launch date of Dec. 18 hinges a successful outcome of that mission.

The shipment of the Webb telescope to French Guiana follows a series of tests at Northrop Grumman to ensure the spacecraft can withstand the rigors of launch. The testing subjected the observatory to the vibrations and sound energy it will see inside the payload shroud of its Ariane 5 launcher.

Then engineers performed final tests to unfurl the observatory’s mirrors and sunshield, checking that the deployment mechanisms are ready to go. It was the last time Webb’s components will deploy into flight configuration before liftoff.

With those tests complete, crews at Northrop Grumman folded up the observatory and put it in a climate-controlled shipping container for the trip to French Guiana.

Webb, a successor to the Hubble Space Telescope, is a joint project between NASA, the European Space Agency, and the Canadian Space Agency. The observatory’s total cost is near $10 billion, making Webb the most expensive and complex science mission ever launched.

Design work on Webb began in the 1990s, and NASA awarded a contract to Northrop Grumman in 2002 to oversee construction of the observatory. With the shipment of Webb to Kourou, the project is in the home stretch before launch.

One of ESA’s contributions is the Ariane 5 rocket that will launch Webb toward its operating post nearly a million miles (1.5 million kilometers) from Earth.

After launch, the observatory will begin a make-or-break sequence of deployments to extend its solar array, high-gain antenna, and mirror segments. Webb also has a five-layer sunshield to shade its mirrors, detectors and science instruments, keeping the telescope colder than minus 370 degrees Fahrenheit, or minus 223 degrees Celsius.

Made of aluminum-coated Kapton, each sunshield layer is as thin as a human hair. The sunshade will expand to the size of a tennis court once Webb is in space.

The observatory’s infrared instruments will peer into the oldest, most distant reaches of the universe to study some of the first stars and galaxies that formed after the Big Bang more than 13.5 billion years ago.

Astronomers will also use Webb to look at how galaxies form and evolve, to study the birth of stars, and to learn more about the atmospheres of planets that may be hospitable for life outside our solar system.

[...]

There's no question that launch will be as stressful as most manned launches. It would be devastating if it anything happened after so much time.

**DaFace** · 10-03-2021, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Finished watching the Netflix series. Very good!

Just watched the last episode. So glad they did this.

**Donger** · 10-04-2021, 09:10 AM

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. (AP) — Star Trek’s Captain Kirk is rocketing into space this month — boldly going where no other sci-fi actors have gone.

Jeff Bezos’ space travel company, Blue Origin, announced Monday that William Shatner will blast off from West Texas on Oct. 12.

At age 90, Shatner will become the oldest person in space. He’ll join three others — two of them paying customers — aboard a Blue Origin capsule. It will be the company’s second launch with a crew.

Bezos was on the debut flight in July, along with his brother and the youngest and oldest to fly in space. Shatner will break that upper threshold by six years.

**DaFace** · 10-04-2021, 02:16 PM

Aww.

The next flight of SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket, previously scheduled for this month, has been pushed back to early 2022 after more delays caused by its U.S. military payload, according to a Space Force spokesperson.

Read more: https://t.co/QPYi20QQSZ pic.twitter.com/DVe7xJ8UW5
— Spaceflight Now (@SpaceflightNow) October 4, 2021

**DaFace** · 10-07-2021, 03:32 PM

The third Crew Dragon has a name!

�� We have a capsule name! @Astro_Raja announces the @SpaceX Dragon capsule has been named "Endurance" by #Crew3. pic.twitter.com/Eu4QTh0ANJ
— NASA (@NASA) October 7, 2021

Launch is currently NET October 30th.

**Donger** · 10-11-2021, 01:46 PM

I’m parked in a sweet spot between dunes and a rock outcrop, ready for a 2-week solar conjunction, when the Sun blocks signals to and from Mars. During the lull, I’ll tackle jobs I can do on my own, like watching for dust devils and taking in the weather.

**Donger** · 10-11-2021, 01:49 PM

A beautiful @HiRISE 25cm/px map projected image of the Jezero crater, clearly resolves both #PerseveranceRover and #Ingenuity. Look at those tracks left by the rover on the ground!

MagicHef · 10-12-2021, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace

Aww.

The next flight of SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket, previously scheduled for this month, has been pushed back to early 2022 after more delays caused by its U.S. military payload, according to a Space Force spokesperson.

Read more: https://t.co/QPYi20QQSZ pic.twitter.com/DVe7xJ8UW5
— Spaceflight Now (@SpaceflightNow) October 4, 2021

That rocket has been sitting for a while now, hasn't it?

**Donger** · 10-13-2021, 07:56 AM

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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $-3101	Space Exploration megathread Since a number of cool things are happening in space exploration these days, we'll widen the scope of this thread a smidge. Conversation about all things space exploration are welcome, whether it be from NASA, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or anyone else. Chances are most of the discussion will still be about SpaceX since they love to make things public and fun, but nothing's off limits. I'll eventually get around to modifying the OP to include resources for other companies too, but in the meantime, feel free to post any cool stuff you run across. Lists of Upcoming Missions Spoiler! General lists: https://nextspaceflight.com/ http://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/ SpaceX specific list: https://spacexnow.com/upcoming.php How to Watch a Live Launch Spoiler! SpaceX: https://www.spacex.com/launches/ ULA: https://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedLaunchAlliance RocketLab: https://www.youtube.com/user/RocketLabNZ NASATV will also cover some launches (primarily ISS resupply missions): https://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision Where to Learn More Spoiler! Some cool pics... https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/ https://www.instagram.com/spacex/?hl=en Twitter feed is usually interesing... https://twitter.com/SpaceX https://twitter.com/elonmusk The SpaceX sub is a great source of info... https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/wiki/index And for a more forum-style discussion board... http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php#c17 And there are plenty of YouTube channels with great content... Joe Scott - Lost of "future" discussion. Some about rockets and space. Much that goes beyond. Scott Manley - Super smart dude (engineer) who reviews a lot of major events in space exploration. Frazer Cain (Universe Today) - Podcast-style videos that go in-depth into space topics. Tim Dodd (Everyday Astronaut) - A "random dude" who got really into space (particularly SpaceX). He's a great resource for simple explanations of this stuff, as well as live hosting launches. USLaunchReport - Lost of videos of the more mundane stuff (e.g., booster recovery operations). Not a ton of commentary. NASASpaceFlight - Live hosting of most launches including a ton of video of Starlink operations. Glossary Spoiler! Space discussions tend to get a little bogged down in jargon, so here's a list of terms you might encounter. (Others, please let me know of others that should be added.) ASDS - Autonomous Spaceport Droneship - The "barges" that they sometimes land rockets on. Dragon - The cone-shaped capsule that sits at the top of the rocket for ISS-bound launches that holds the cargo (or, in the future, humans). F9 - Falcon 9, the name of the rocket itself. FH - Falcon Heavy, the three-booster version. GTO - Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit, a type of orbit that will eventually result in the satellite orbiting the earth as it turns so that it seems to be in the same spot from the ground (such as DirecTV or Dish satellites). These types of launches are particularly challenging because they require a lot of power to get them into the right orbit, leaving very little fuel left for landing. HIF - Horizontal Integration Facility - the building near the launch pad where they put all of the pieces of the rocket together before rolling it out to the pad. ISS - The International Space Station JRTI - Just Read The Instructions, the name of the "barge" that they land on for west-coast launches. LEO - Low Earth Orbit, a fairly low orbit shared by many satellites and ISS. These launches usually require less power to achieve the proper orbit, so the first stage can often be landed back on land rather than on a drone ship. LZ1 - Landing Zone 1, basically a big open slab of concrete at Cape Canaveral where the first stage will attempt to land (for some launches). NET - No Earlier Than, basically the date they're hoping to launch, but rocket launches have a tendency of getting delayed. OCISLY - Of Course I Still Love You, the name of the "barge" that they land on for east-coast launches. RTLS - Return to Landing Site, a mission where the first stage comes back and lands at LZ1. Starship - SpaceX's next-generation rocket (and spacecraft) that will hopefully one day take us to Mars. Starship is the "second stage" that will carry cargo or people, but also refers to the whole system. (It's confusing, but think of it like the Space Shuttle, which was both the shuttle itself and the entire launch system.) Super Heavy - The giant booster that will carry Starship to space. Last edited by DaFace; 10-13-2024 at 07:17 AM..
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