New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Dave

Dungeon crabs?...

Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

[mikeyis4dcats.]

I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

Phrasing!

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dungeon...us....crabs?

I'm kidding. Crab Rangoon.

Wait, I had something for this.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by mikeyis4dcats.

I had heard BYU was not wanting to share it's books with the league.

Contribution issues?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by alnorth

You were confused by the legal language. When all parties agree that someone will be damaged when something bad happens, but they also agree that the amount of damage will be hard to determine, it is common to agree ahead of time to something that the law refers to as "liquidated damages". That is what was done here. Often you will sign a contract saying "we agree that if *bad thing* happens, rather than fight about the proper penalty, which we also agree that the amount would be tough to determine, we'll just simply agree ahead of time to a fine of $X"

Mizzou agreed that if they left with notice less than a year but greater than 6 months, then they forfeit 90% of what they made for the last 2 seasons they were in the conference. The Big 12 would then refuse to pay Mizzou anything for the last part of this season (which is more than 10% at this point) and send Mizzou a bill for what they owe, which would be 90% of 2010, plus 90% of 2011 less what was withheld.

I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I wasn't confused by anything. The conference agreed that a team leaving an intact league would cause damages of $6million. The conference is going to have a hell of a time showing that a team leaving an already fractured league owes more in damages than the first schools that left.

Maybe this is incorrect - but after Nebraska/Colorado left, didn't the remaining teams, or the league, put in stiffer fines/etc. for leaving the Big 12? Not that really expect them to get $25 million out of MU, I would expect it to end up at minimum $6 million.

[Saul Good]

Chuck Neinas is an idiot, BTW. At his press conference, he discussed the report that MU could earn $12 million extra per year and proceeded to shit all over himself.

He said he doubted it was true because there would be 14 teams in the SEC, and the new contract would have to be worth $168 million more in order for all teams to get $12 million more. He completely disregarded the fact that nobody claimed that the SEC schools would make $12 million more, but nobody called him on his bullshit. In fact, the local media dipshits grabbed a handful out of his soiled Depends and ran with it.

This conference is a ****ing clown show, and I hope like hell that we get the **** out.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

ChipBrownOB Chip Brown Sources tell Orangebloods.com #BYU is no longer a candidate to join the #Big12 because BYU wants to be independent.

BYU knows the Big 12 won't be around long.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

Maybe this is incorrect - but after Nebraska/Colorado left, didn't the remaining teams, or the league, put in stiffer fines/etc. for leaving the Big 12? Not that really expect them to get $25 million out of MU, I would expect it to end up at minimum $6 million.

I believe that the conference is attempting to do this, but Mizzou won't sign on. Unless Mizzou agrees to change the contract, they aren't bound by anything beyond the original agreement.

The longer this plays out, the stronger Mizzou's hand gets regarding exit fees. Neinas shits his britches every time he opens his denture-laden mouth, and it plays right into Mizzou's hands when he does.
The more he tries to push Missouri to sign a new contract or get out the door, the easier it is for Missouri to say that the conference violated the contract. After all, despite all the speculation, Mizzou has not left the conference, nor have they applied to join any other conference.

[evenfall]

This conference got rejected by BYU. Yeah... It's the place to be.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

He completely disregarded the fact that nobody claimed that the SEC schools would make $12 million more, but nobody called him on his bullshit.

I thought that claim was in the MU report that was leaked....that a move to the SEC could make them (MU) $12 million more than they would have made in the Big 12.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Mr. Plow

I thought that claim was in the MU report that was leaked....that a move to the SEC could make them (MU) $12 million more than they would have made in the Big 12.

Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more doesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by Pants

Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more duijkoesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

The sec makes about 1.2 milion more than missouri will make this year(and will actually make less than the reported 20 million big 12 members wl make next year but that will be ignored). Neinas is basing his numbers of of that.

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by Pants

Yeah, but because MU stands to make 12 mil more doesn't mean all SEC schools to stand 12 mil more, they already make more money than the Big12 counterparts. So in reality, MU would make 12 mil more and other SEC schools would make 6 mil more or something like that.

Ahh, it was all in the wording. SEC schools won't make 12 million more, but MU potentially will.