What part of the OL are you more confident in?

[RunKC]

Thought this was an interesting debate. What are you more confident in?

Poll incoming

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I agree but at RT its a money commitment issue. We have Taylor on a contract that is LT money playing RT and for two more years.

That contract is really something. Did Veach think Taylor would transition to LT when that deal was made?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

That contract is really something. Did Veach think Taylor would transition to LT when that deal was made?

Yes, yes he did

[Coochie liquor]

The part I have the LEAST amount of faith in is, Andy ****ing Heck!

[xztop123]

Taylor thing was odd. We gave him money of a 100% sure thing. And he has penalty issues. Weird scouting job - which causes me hesitation with current ot scouting

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Taylor thing was odd. We gave him money of a 100% sure thing. And he has penalty issues. Weird scouting job - which causes me hesitation with current ot scouting

We were desperate.

We tried to give OBJ a very fair offer. He just wouldn't accept it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Taylor thing was odd. We gave him money of a 100% sure thing. And he has penalty issues. Weird scouting job - which causes me hesitation with current ot scouting

Supply and demand. Very short supply and extremely high demand

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Taylor thing was odd. We gave him money of a 100% sure thing. And he has penalty issues. Weird scouting job - which causes me hesitation with current ot scouting

We needed a dude, badly.

He's what was available.

It's easy in hindsight to say we overpaid, and he's not been great-but we needed to fill that spot with a proven NFL player. He was the best we could get at the time.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

It's easy in hindsight to say we overpaid, and he's not been great-but we needed to fill that spot with a proven NFL player. He was the best we could get at the time.

Overpaying isn't the bad part. You have to overpay to sign a free agent. That's just how it works. They have all the leverage.

Overpaying AND him having a ton of penalty issues and playing a style of football that puts a ton of pressure on the All pro guard that plays next to him means the deal wasn't worth it. It's the money, and the penalties, and at best he's a passable player.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Rausch

Overpaying isn't the bad part. You have to overpay to sign a free agent. That's just how it works. They have all the leverage.

Overpaying AND him having a ton of penalty issues and playing a style of football that puts a ton of pressure on the All pro guard that plays next to him means the deal wasn't worth it. It's the money, and the penalties, and at best he's a passable player.

Nailed it!

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We needed a dude, badly.

He's what was available.

It's easy in hindsight to say we overpaid, and he's not been great-but we needed to fill that spot with a proven NFL player. He was the best we could get at the time.

Yes, and this shows what a hole we can put ourselves in when we aren't developing talent at a highly paid position. We have issues at both LT and RT and those guys get top dollar in the free agent market, so we need to be developing Tackles all the time. It reminds me of the way the Chiefs failed to develop QBs and were constantly getting them from the 49ers.

[Lucsky]

I am not confident on either of them. I don't think Kingsley will be the starting G next year, its quite possible they keep Caliendo, at least for the first few games of the season, Reid and Co. love continuity. And I am not confident that Moore won't get exposed outside of the San Fran schemes and also given his lateral mobility, will have a hard time with the wide arcs he will need to protect given Mahome's higher than usual drop backs.

Gun to head choice, I would go with KS being a decent guard by game 5 or 6, much easier position to play than LT.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Yes, and this shows what a hole we can put ourselves in when we aren't developing talent at a highly paid position. We have issues at both LT and RT and those guys get top dollar in the free agent market, so we need to be developing Tackles all the time. It reminds me of the way the Chiefs failed to develop QBs and were constantly getting them from the 49ers.

And AGAIN, that is the price we pay for drafting #30 or later for half a decade.

Going to the conference championship game or Super Bowl every year for 6 or 7 years in a row makes it harder every year to get there again.

Quality offensive tackles are really difficult to find, and near impossible when you are in the draft position we are every year.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by Lucsky

I am not confident on either of them. I don't think Kingsley will be the starting G next year, its quite possible they keep Caliendo, at least for the first few games of the season, Reid and Co. love continuity. And I am not confident that Moore won't get exposed outside of the San Fran schemes and also given his lateral mobility, will have a hard time with the wide arcs he will need to protect given Mahome's higher than usual drop backs.

Gun to head choice, I would go with KS being a decent guard by game 5 or 6, much easier position to play than LT.

Don't know about the San Francisco "schemes" but they definitely have a bigger threat in the run game than KC. Our offense is predictable enough where opposing defenses know we're passing. That puts a bigger strain on the tackles without the danger of a running game. It will be interesting to see how Moore pans out.

Also, what is Humphries' official status? Is he on the team next year?

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

And AGAIN, that is the price we pay for drafting #30 or later for half a decade.

Going to the conference championship game or Super Bowl every year for 6 or 7 years in a row makes it harder every year to get there again.

Quality offensive tackles are really difficult to find, and near impossible when you are in the draft position we are every year.

Again, I agree with you, but this is also a first world problem. There is no "fix" for our draft position other than losing and none of us want that. So, we just have to adapt as well as we can. Off the top of my head, that yields just 3 choices.

1) Draft and develop Tackles

2) Trade for them

3) Acquire them in free agency

We drafted Kingsley and he didn't develop like we hoped. We traded for Orlando Brown, and that was only moderately successful, but he bolted for Cincinnati at first opportunity. We signed a couple others out of free agency and none of us are all that happy with the results.

Clearly, we'll approach the problem with whatever is necessary, but good Tackles are very expensive in free agency and passable ones are expensive too. Drafting good Tackles is difficult when you pick last, or near last, but they are much cheaper that way. Finally, trading for a good Tackle can be very expensive too.

That's life in the big city. Vereach doesn't have the Midas touch with everything, but he's done a fantastic job overall. We sure as hell can't complain (much) about the results he has given us.

This is just the way it is. None of the choices is great, but ignoring the problem only makes it worse. You pick your poison here and live with the consequences.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Again, I agree with you, but this is also a first world problem. There is no "fix" for our draft position other than losing and none of us want that. So, we just have to adapt as well as we can. Off the top of my head, that yields just 3 choices.

1) Draft and develop Tackles

2) Trade for them

3) Acquire them in free agency

We drafted Kingsley and he didn't develop like we hoped. We traded for Orlando Brown, and that was only moderately successful, but he bolted for Cincinnati at first opportunity. We signed a couple others out of free agency and none of us are all that happy with the results.

Clearly, we'll approach the problem with whatever is necessary, but good Tackles are very expensive in free agency and passable ones are expensive too. Drafting good Tackles is difficult when you pick last, or near last, but they are much cheaper that way. Finally, trading for a good Tackle can be very expensive too.

That's life in the big city. Vereach doesn't have the Midas touch with everything, but he's done a fantastic job overall. We sure as hell can't complain (much) about the results he has given us.

This is just the way it is. None of the choices is great, but ignoring the problem only makes it worse. You pick your poison here and live with the consequences.

We drafted Kingsley and gave up on him after a couple of games.

That's not good.