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Red Dawg · 02-16-2025, 02:50 PM

I for one do. We have seen them rise up and shut the critics up enough to not lose faith. It was ugly and surprising for sure but the SB magnifies everything for some reason. Mahomes for sure is no quitter and neither is Veach and Andy. We will recover and be right back in the AFCCG for another shot.

htismaqe · 02-16-2025, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Overall you're absolutely correct

But isn't Heck starting to get on your nerves, and wouldn't Reid benefit from having someone from outside the usual bubble in his ear offense-wise?

Minor tweaks like that might go a long way, the offense is looking stale compared to the early standards, to paraphrase the old saying... if you're not evolving, you're falling behind

Of course. But it's 100% up to Andy to address it.

RunKC · 02-16-2025, 03:55 PM

Andy and Veach decided to roll with Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney and MVS to start 2023 as their top 3 WR’s.

Andy and Veach also decided to roll with a completely unprepared rookie LT who was unplayable and ended up being a disaster this year.

Andy and Veach let McKinnon walk and replaced him with Pacheco and an old and washed Samaje Perine.

Blaming these personnel moves on anybody but the top leaders is insanity. They are not infallible

**Easy 6** · 02-16-2025, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Of course. But it's 100% up to Andy to address it.

Then it probably won't be addressed, Andy has a big heart that makes him loyal to a fault

htismaqe · 02-16-2025, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Then it probably won't be addressed, Andy has a big heart that makes him loyal to a fault

Right.

The people that want to shit can the water boy every time this team loses don't get it.

This is Andy's team, for better or worse.

You want to stop hiring guys like Nagy? Then you have to be willing to admit that the only way that might be possible is to get rid of Reid.

Throwing the baby away with the bathwater.

RunKC · 02-16-2025, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Right.

The people that want to shit can the water boy every time this team loses don't get it.

This is Andy's team, for better or worse.

You want to stop hiring guys like Nagy? Then you have to be willing to admit that the only way that might be possible is to get rid of Reid.

Throwing the baby away with the bathwater.

This can’t be right. Mahomes Magic thinks Nagy has been doing most of the gameplan when it’s bad bc Andy delegates to him.

As if Andy doesn’t like having control or making the game plans

**Easy 6** · 02-16-2025, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Right.

The people that want to shit can the water boy every time this team loses don't get it.

This is Andy's team, for better or worse.

You want to stop hiring guys like Nagy? Then you have to be willing to admit that the only way that might be possible is to get rid of Reid.

Throwing the baby away with the bathwater.

Well no one wants to throw Reid out, at least I hope not

But his constant reluctance to change is a detriment

**wazu** · 02-16-2025, 04:06 PM

Yes except for Nagy

htismaqe · 02-16-2025, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Well no one wants to throw Reid out, at least I hope not

But his constant reluctance to change is a detriment

You can't have it both ways. Andy hired Nagy. You either trust Andy or you don't.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-16-2025, 04:11 PM

I don’t blame this on Nagy. I still believe this offense runs through Reid. Through EBs ups and downs, and nagys. We can’t just credit Reid when things go well and assume he gave up control when things go bad. That’s reassuring because he, not Nagy, will lead our offense back to dominance.

I think our assistants are generally fine but we have an issue with stagnation. Turnover is healthy because it brings new ideas in the room. And gives new talent a chance to shine, ideally above the guys to have in place. And our guys just don’t get poached anymore. It’s probably the one area where veach should override Reid. I don’t think we necessarily need a shake up but we need coaches with new ideas. We may rag on EB but I do feel like that military style discipline has been somewhat missing. We may have bagged on Childress’ spread coordinator role but it feels like our innovation is now a few years old and feels a bit stale. What happened to bringing guys like Chris ault in to bring in new ideas on spread offense? We brought in tamba hali to teach our DL new techniques, why not do the same for our OL? I love Mahomes’ offseason throw sessions but maybe it’s time to also get him back into the lab and focus on fundamentals.

The Super Bowl debacle is a good motivation to move from band-aid improvements to making some more radical changes and embracing creativity and trying new things

**wazu** · 02-16-2025, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can't have it both ways. Andy hired Nagy. You either trust Andy or you don't.

I trust him mostly but cronyism is Andy’s biggest weakness.

Gary Cooper · 02-16-2025, 04:17 PM

Yes, to be a contender and make a deep playoff run.

But I'm concerned about the lack of game planning in the first half of these Super Bowls. Five times doesn't make a coincidence. Andy and Mahomes have looked unprepared until halftime of each Super Bowl. Something needs to change to avoid either getting blown out or having to make a second half comeback against the best opposition from the NFC.

**Easy 6** · 02-16-2025, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You can't have it both ways. Andy hired Nagy. You either trust Andy or you don't.

Nah man we can all recognize his brilliance while also seeing the flaws, no HC is perfect

Coochie liquor · 02-16-2025, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Andy and Veach decided to roll with Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney and MVS to start 2023 as their top 3 WR’s.

Andy and Veach also decided to roll with a completely unprepared rookie LT who was unplayable and ended up being a disaster this year.

Andy and Veach let McKinnon walk and replaced him with Pacheco and an old and washed Samaje Perine.

Blaming these personnel moves on anybody but the top leaders is insanity. They are not infallible

Didn’t McKinnon retire??

Hammock Parties · 02-16-2025, 04:21 PM

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comochiefsfan · 02-16-2025, 04:23 PM

Everything on the offensive side of the ball should be under heavy evaluation this offseason.

Why is the offense regressing?

Why is the greatest QB talent ever regressing?

If it’s a personnel issue, then where and why did we mess up to allow the personnel to get to the point where the offense is unable to function?

Is the staff maximizing our talent to the best of their abilities?

Is our scheme stale? Do we need to innovate and change the way we look at things?

These are all questions that need to be asked and deeply explored this offseason.

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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-700389	Andy and Veach decided to roll with Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney and MVS to start 2023 as their top 3 WR’s. Andy and Veach also decided to roll with a completely unprepared rookie LT who was unplayable and ended up being a disaster this year. Andy and Veach let McKinnon walk and replaced him with Pacheco and an old and washed Samaje Perine. Blaming these personnel moves on anybody but the top leaders is insanity. They are not infallible __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-855503	I don’t blame this on Nagy. I still believe this offense runs through Reid. Through EBs ups and downs, and nagys. We can’t just credit Reid when things go well and assume he gave up control when things go bad. That’s reassuring because he, not Nagy, will lead our offense back to dominance. I think our assistants are generally fine but we have an issue with stagnation. Turnover is healthy because it brings new ideas in the room. And gives new talent a chance to shine, ideally above the guys to have in place. And our guys just don’t get poached anymore. It’s probably the one area where veach should override Reid. I don’t think we necessarily need a shake up but we need coaches with new ideas. We may rag on EB but I do feel like that military style discipline has been somewhat missing. We may have bagged on Childress’ spread coordinator role but it feels like our innovation is now a few years old and feels a bit stale. What happened to bringing guys like Chris ault in to bring in new ideas on spread offense? We brought in tamba hali to teach our DL new techniques, why not do the same for our OL? I love Mahomes’ offseason throw sessions but maybe it’s time to also get him back into the lab and focus on fundamentals. The Super Bowl debacle is a good motivation to move from band-aid improvements to making some more radical changes and embracing creativity and trying new things
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02-16-2025, 04:17 PM	#41
Gary Cooper MVP Join Date: Nov 2020 Casino cash: $-339600	Yes, to be a contender and make a deep playoff run. But I'm concerned about the lack of game planning in the first half of these Super Bowls. Five times doesn't make a coincidence. Andy and Mahomes have looked unprepared until halftime of each Super Bowl. Something needs to change to avoid either getting blown out or having to make a second half comeback against the best opposition from the NFC.
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02-16-2025, 04:23 PM	#45
comochiefsfan MVP Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-309600	Everything on the offensive side of the ball should be under heavy evaluation this offseason. Why is the offense regressing? Why is the greatest QB talent ever regressing? If it’s a personnel issue, then where and why did we mess up to allow the personnel to get to the point where the offense is unable to function? Is the staff maximizing our talent to the best of their abilities? Is our scheme stale? Do we need to innovate and change the way we look at things? These are all questions that need to be asked and deeply explored this offseason.
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