Chase Daniel breaks down the SB

[TheGuardian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAVP...el=ChaseDaniel

This is a tough watch, and Chase loves the Chiefs, but as he goes through it, basically he admits this game was on Pat.

Yes, there's times when the protection broke down, but he points out lots of perfectly good pockets where Pat doesn't make the right read, or is looking at the pressure...when there's really not any, or he just pulls the ball down to wide open WR's.

He also points out something a LOT of posters here have pointed out. Pat's mechanics have regressed. And it wasn't until this breakdown that I really saw how bad it's gotten. There's times when his body and footwork are just so bad that there's no way he can make an accurate throw.

So while we do need a left tackle, the hardest part about this watch is....this was really on Pat. Some of the early RPO play calls were just fine. It was just Pat playing the worst game of his career.

Really odd. Just really odd to watch him play this bad, have mechanics this poor, not find the open reads...and Phills NEVER changes their defense the whole game. It was shell coverage the whole time, no blitzes, and just playing zone.

Really wild to watch.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Not one of Mahomes' best games, but coaching and OL were much bigger issues. OP can kick rocks.

[suzzer99]

Mahomes played like crap in the first half of his first huge playoff game against the Pats, then he pulled out of it.

He played like crap in his first Super Bowl until WASP.

He's been shaky at the start of some other Super Bowls, then played great at the end.

I think the 3-peat/GOAT pressure really got to him, and unlike those other times, he could never get a few quick wins to push through it and come out the other side. It just went from bad to worse to nightmare.

He literally looked like he was going to start crying on the sideline. I've never seen his confidence shattered like that. The 3-peat/GOAT stuff must have weighed so heavy on his mind.

I look forward to him coming back and playing for the love of the game w/o the pressure of trying to be the greatest dynasty ever.

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Hard to watch that man. Stick a needle in your eyeball material.

[xztop123]

I wish I knew who to blame. It’s hard to know without knowing what Andy Reid was doing. I wish Peyton or belliceck would break down the game so I could hear it from someone with a decent IQ.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by xztop123

I wish I knew who to blame. It’s hard to know without knowing what Andy Reid was doing. I wish Peyton or belliceck would break down the game so I could hear it from someone with a decent IQ.

Belichick said it was the Left Tackle situation

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Belichick said it was the Left Tackle situation

5 different Left Tackles in 5 Super Bowl appearances. This happened in a 6-year period, not a 15-20 year period. It's an unsustainable approach. Surprising they made it past Houston & Buffalo. Very fortunate to make it through 4 Playoff wins a year ago as well.

Of course if they make it back to the Super Bowl any time soon...it will most likely be 6 Left Tackles in 6 Super Bowl appearances during a fairly short period of time. The instability continues at the most important spot on the offensive line.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I think it’s telling that I’ve yet to hear a name.

And I think that’s because no quarterback has won a Super Bowl when facing that type of pressure. Josh Allen went 9 out of 30 when facing this pressure from Houston’s front four in October. Joe Burrow has managed what, one career second half touchdown pass when facing that kind of pressure in 7 playoff games? We saw how Lamar did against us last year, but not even Tom Brady could hold strong when facing that pressure from the Giants. He started hearing ghosts and skipping balls to receivers throughout Super Bowl 42 and gave the Patriots a disastrous safety in Super Bowl 46.

So basically, if we’re asking Patrick to do something against this kind of pressure that no quarterback has ever won against in a Super Bowl, it seems like a stretch to say the loss is entirely on him. Did he still have one of the worst games of his career? 100%. Both of these things can be true.

Any of the top QBs playing a good game could have won the game, including Mahomes. You are completely over blowing the challenges he faced, especially the first half when it was still a game. Was he pressured? Yes. Could a good game have overcome it? Again yes. But he had good pockets. He had open receivers. He had good plays available during the game.

Obviously anyone that plays one their worst games would lose. But given if Mahomes simply spiked the ball every throw in the first half it could potentially have just been 10-0 at half time there is no argument the game was impossible to win with better play. We were getting blown out precisely because he was dreadful.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

There are a lot of people here that think Mahomes shouldn’t be expected to make great plays in good pockets because a few plays prior the protection didn’t do its job. He’s spooked and doesn’t trust it they’ll say. Well boo hoo. Or they think if a WR isn’t wide open when it’s time to throw then there’s no one open. NFL open apparently isn’t good enough anymore.

more often than not when he chooses to to trust the protection he gets burned with a huge negative play. It means his clock changes from going through progressions to feeling the anxiety to get rid of the ball quickly. When the pocket is clean he doesn’t expect it to be. The reason he still has the yips throwing into tighter windows is he’s been burned in the past. He’d throw to a spot and the WR ran the wrong route. He’d throw an aggressive throw and his wr would make a dumb adjustment or it would bounce off their hands.

We’re not talking about carrying average talent. We are talking about surrounding him with complete liabilities. It’s created some really bad habits that mahomes has used as a survival mechanism. The happy feet, the footwork on a panic throw, double clutching to WRs, the Alex smith checkdowns, locking on to his primary read, escaping clean pockets. These are things we didn’t see a few years ago. How can you not blame this on ptsd given the kind of shit he’s seen?

So the issue isn’t even anymore a magic fix where a new shiny supporting cast will fix him. We saw that with our WRs. We need to un**** him. And we can’t un**** him until we can put him in a CONSISTENT environment where he can be set up for success. Mahomes definitely deserves blame for how we lost the game. But we also have to acknowledge how poor personnel decisions created this frankenstein

[GordonGekko]

Pat has been coached into becoming a risk minimization/game manager type QB like Alex Smith, no longer a cold blooded killer type QB who was fire and forget, exuding bravado and confidence. They have leashed him, why Andy did this I do not know? I think Nagy definitely has something to do with it, the offense statistics have dropped dramatically since Nagy has been reintroduced to the Chiefs.

Also the OL issues I think the last couple years have also helped mold Pat's current play style, Tom Brady in the telecast said he was watching Pat's footwork and the feet said he did not trust his OLine.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Pat has been coached into becoming a risk minimization/game manager type QB like Alex Smith, no longer a cold blooded killer type QB who was fire and forget, exuding bravado and confidence. They have leashed him, why Andy did this I do not know? I think Nagy definitely has something to do with it, the offense statistics have dropped dramatically since Nagy has been reintroduced to the Chiefs.

Also the OL issues I think the last couple years have also helped mold Pat's current play style, Tom Brady in the telecast said he was watching Pat's footwork and the feet said he did not trust his OLine.

It’s partially that but it’s also been a survival instinct. You remember last year when we had these long plodding drives and then on the 10th play our WR doinked the ball off his hands for a drive killing INT? What did Mahomes do predictably after that? He played hero ball and started chucking wild shit up for grabs right after. If we can’t matriculate the ball, he’s gonna try to get a huge chunk play that isn’t there.

This year we’ve tried to open up the offense and mahomes has options but is just dead inaccurate. And against teams like Houston and Philly, the quick pass become not only a crutch but a necessity. It felt to me like we were solving one problem (now we have WRs to play with) while introducing another (we can’t protect you long enough to fix your issues).

Because it felt to me like we were really trying to encourage Mahomes to push the ball this season. And he’s either scared and/or unconfident. So I feel like it’s more on mahomes which is rooted in bad habits he developed trying to make lemons out of lemonade.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by DRM08

5 different Left Tackles in 5 Super Bowl appearances. This happened in a 6-year period, not a 15-20 year period. It's an unsustainable approach. Surprising they made it past Houston & Buffalo. Very fortunate to make it through 4 Playoff wins a year ago as well.

Of course if they make it back to the Super Bowl any time soon...it will most likely be 6 Left Tackles in 6 Super Bowl appearances during a fairly short period of time. The instability continues at the most important spot on the offensive line.

It hasn't been ideal, but I don't think it's fair to call it incompetence. They were forced to start a bum in the Tampa SB. We'll never know how Humphrey might have played in this SB, but it's hard to fault them for not throwing him out there for the playoffs, coming off an injury. Thuney had been okay up until this game.

They wisely cut ties with Fisher after the achilles. Signed Brown, which didn't seem like a bad idea at the time (and turned out okay), then later made the right choice to let him walk.

Donovan Smith wasn't a bad stopgap, and they got it done with him.

The one real failure was entering this season with Kingsley/Morris as your options. I was worried about it at the time, and I'm definitely not too fond of the idea now. But were there any other great options, especially with their cap constraints?

They were close to a deal with Trent Williams at one point, but were outbid by SF's record-breaking deal. It's harder to acquire an elite LT than any position but QB, and some teams spend decades just trying to land an above average QB.

The task doesn't exactly get easier when you draft at the end of the 1st round every single year. Hard to find an elite LT prospect there.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Pat has been coached into becoming a risk minimization/game manager type QB like Alex Smith, no longer a cold blooded killer type QB who was fire and forget, exuding bravado and confidence. They have leashed him, why Andy did this I do not know? I think Nagy definitely has something to do with it, the offense statistics have dropped dramatically since Nagy has been reintroduced to the Chiefs.

Also the OL issues I think the last couple years have also helped mold Pat's current play style, Tom Brady in the telecast said he was watching Pat's footwork and the feet said he did not trust his OLine.

As much as we say a lot of this has been coached into him, I think a large bit of it is on Mahomes himself. If you remember back in OTAs and camp, the emphasis was pushing the ball down the field and taking chances. It was almost like they were trying to force Mahomes to get back into that mentality. Mahomes even said during the season that his "new knowledge" compared to his past has been a bit of a road block into him getting back some of that aggressiveness. I really think 99% of Mahomes current issues are mental that he alone needs to work through.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Belichick said it was the Left Tackle situation

Agree w/ Belichick 100% and just saw that interview, he said Kingsley not panning out cost the Chiefs and then all of the scrambling during the season playing so manly LT's was a problem and when facing the NFL's best teams it turns into a massive issue

[Gary Cooper]

There aren't any plays that could have changed this game. It'd be nice if Mahomes made a few different decisions but the overall play calling and pass protection wouldn't allow a victory. Maybe they lose a more competitive game at least and we're more disappointed than embarrassed.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Pat has been coached into becoming a risk minimization/game manager type QB like Alex Smith, no longer a cold blooded killer type QB who was fire and forget, exuding bravado and confidence. They have leashed him, why Andy did this I do not know? I think Nagy definitely has something to do with it, the offense statistics have dropped dramatically since Nagy has been reintroduced to the Chiefs.

Also the OL issues I think the last couple years have also helped mold Pat's current play style, Tom Brady in the telecast said he was watching Pat's footwork and the feet said he did not trust his OLine.

It's hard not to see a correlation between the Nagy hire and the offense regressing.

Maybe Bienemy had more of an impact than people realize. Maybe Nagy just isn't good, I don't know. But I do know there was an immediate dropoff, and it was evident in preseason that year. One of the most efficient offenses in NFL history became considerably less efficient and smooth overnight. Suddenly the plays that seemed effortless the year before became a struggle. And aside from LT, this year's offense was much more talented than in '22.