Chiefs LNBS: Why were the Chiefs bad in the 1980s? - Page 3

Best22 · 12-26-2024, 10:26 PM

Looking at the roster they had a good secondary (Albert Lewis, Deron Cherry, Kevin Ross, Lloyd Burress) and the receiving corps seemed pretty nice (Stephon Paige, Carlos Carson, Henry Marshall).

I know they never had a great quarterback but I feel like I’m missing something. For the fans who remember, why did they suck?

WilliamTheIrish · 12-27-2024, 07:56 AM

Lloyd Wells was the guy who brought real talent to the team. As the world became more integrated and more great black athletes attended more traditional powerhouse universities his influence waned. He was interviewed by Pat Summerall after the SB victory over the Vikings and Summerall referred to his connection at the HBC’s.

The 70’s roster just aged out. And Jack Steadman and Jim Schaaf were business men, not NFL talent men.

Failure to draft a decent QB. I mean for ****s sake, the allowed Frank Seuer a chance to start.

In the 80’s they had a lot of great individual pieces. And John Mackovic got them to a wild card playoff spot. They got eliminated by the JETS. But Nick Lowry didn’t like Mackovic and had a players meeting with Lamar where they demanded he be fired and that Frank Ganz could take over. This was AFTER mackovic signed a 2 year extension for getting the chiefs to the playoffs. Lamar cited a “Lack of chemistry between players and coach”.

The Chiefs clinched a playoff spot on the road in Pittsburgh while being outgained 571 - 190. They blocked a punt and returned it for a TD. Ran back a kickoff for a TD. Blocked a FG and returned THAT for a TD to hold on and win.

And that kids, is how Frank Ganz got a head coaching position.

Deberg_1990 · 12-27-2024, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

No, that was all Carl Peterson.

Carl wasn't here for Blackledge and had no connection to it. His refusal to draft a QB in rounds 1 or 2 for over a decade handcuffed this team.

Marty left KC and immediately drafted a franchise QB and put up 12 wins with a garbage franchise...

Carl drafted Mike Elkins in round 2 in 1989 and Matt Blundin in round 2 in 1992.

They just drafted the wrong guys.

philfree · 12-27-2024, 08:29 AM

At this point this shit should be buried to never be spoke of a again. Much like a certain kicker. We're on the verge of a 3-peat for Christ sakes so lock this thread. Romper it! Delete it!

Graystoke · 12-27-2024, 08:45 AM

Drafting the wrong QB in the 1983 draft just killed us.
Todd Blackledge was terribad.
I know 20/20 hindsight and all, but how we passed up on Marino or Kelly is a head scratcher.

Bl00dyBizkitz · 12-27-2024, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

At this point this shit should be buried to never be spoke of a again. Much like a certain kicker. We're on the verge of a 3-peat for Christ sakes so lock this thread. Romper it! Delete it!

I'm very curious about this, though. I'm one of the younger crowd here, 80s Chiefs were before my time.

Deberg_1990 · 12-27-2024, 09:16 AM

Why did the Chiefs fire Marv Levy?

scho63 · 12-27-2024, 09:23 AM

Horrible QBs
Horrible Coaching

We went through teams with a good defense and 0 offense

Then we had teams with a lot of offense and zero defense.

Watching games in the 70s and 80s were brutal.

90s, 00s and 10s were all false hope

Then Mahomes and we all know the rest of the story

Anyone under 30 has no idea what a shitshow things were and why us old timers took so long to finally shake off the stank of failure.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 12-27-2024, 09:40 AM

QB was definitely and issue, and who knows if Marino who have succeeded here under Mackovic, but I would like to have hoped so. However, Marino and rumors dropped him to 27 so it wasn't considered a bad pick at the time.

My true feeling on what snakebit this franchise in the 80's was the death of Joe Delaney. Rookie of the year and his death hit the team and fanbase like a truck. I was in high school and I remember crying when I heard the news. News moved slow then, and my Dad had on the nightly news, as he did every night, at 5:30 when it came on midway through the broadcast. I was devestated as was the franchise and it's fans. If you pair a good running back and game with Blackledge, it may have led to some momentum. It was squashed that day when Joe Delaney was a hero. God rest his soul.

Calcountry · 12-27-2024, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiver Me Timbers

You can bugger right off. You are not the first to use reason and logic to take my hate away. Blacksludge had no interest in putting in the work to play in the NFL. He was a grifter. And don't get me started on Joe Pa and Puss State.

Dan Marino was drafted after Blackledge I believe. We had reachers in the draft IIRC, but, being out of market and no internet, not as dug into the details as I am now.

Calcountry · 12-27-2024, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Fair enough, but there were a bunch of years between drafting Blackledge and Peterson taking over, and then after Peterson was gone and the Chiefs finally taking Patrick. It's not ALL on Peterson.

We signed a has been Joe Montanna, who was our best QB since Lenny Dawson. We made AFC Championship to get punked by the Bills RB, ran it down our throats.

QB1 is the key that unlocks all the doors.

Deberg_1990 · 12-27-2024, 09:50 AM

Some players drafted after Blackledge:

Bruce Matthews
Jim Kelly
Dan Marino
Darrell Green

Woof ��

**Shiver Me Timbers** · 12-27-2024, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Graystoke

Drafting the wrong QB in the 1983 draft just killed us.
Todd Blackledge was terribad.
I know 20/20 hindsight and all, but how we passed up on Marino or Kelly is a head scratcher.

EXACTLY!

jerryaldini · 12-27-2024, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

Hank Stram was such a singular force in the franchise’s initial success, that Lamar had no clue how to replicate that success until Marty/Carl.

124-76 .619 as Chiefs HC. They were still good up through 73.

Delaney's death was crushing. RBs really mattered then.

jerryaldini · 12-27-2024, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

JFC.. I tried picking one, but.. Holy crap…

I see you with top right next to the helmet. She's still out there in her early 60s.

RedinTexas · 12-27-2024, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

At this point this shit should be buried to never be spoke of a again. Much like a certain kicker. We're on the verge of a 3-peat for Christ sakes so lock this thread. Romper it! Delete it!

I disagree. It's impossible to appreciate where we are unless you understand where we were.

There are tons of NFL fans out there that think it's "unfair" for the Chiefs to experience so much success, and maybe they're right, but OTOH, **** them. It's not like we haven't paid the price along the way.

And let's all take a moment to remember the Buffalo Bills of the early 90s. They went to 4 straight Super Bowls and lost every one of them. Their fans didn't give a damn that other fans wanted them to step aside. I remember seeing video of songs they sang telling the rest of the AFC to **** off. So, my sympathy for Buffalo fans is hitting the bottom peg.

None of the rest of the NFL gave a damn when the Chiefs sucked for so long. We were looked over, ignored, and laughed at. I lived that experience. They can all **** right off. I'm enjoying every damn bit of our current run and they can cry in their pillows all they want.

We're the Kansas City ****ing Chiefs and don't you ever forget it.

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WilliamTheIrish Champion Golfer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2001 Casino cash: $2680607	Lloyd Wells was the guy who brought real talent to the team. As the world became more integrated and more great black athletes attended more traditional powerhouse universities his influence waned. He was interviewed by Pat Summerall after the SB victory over the Vikings and Summerall referred to his connection at the HBC’s. The 70’s roster just aged out. And Jack Steadman and Jim Schaaf were business men, not NFL talent men. Failure to draft a decent QB. I mean for ****s sake, the allowed Frank Seuer a chance to start. In the 80’s they had a lot of great individual pieces. And John Mackovic got them to a wild card playoff spot. They got eliminated by the JETS. But Nick Lowry didn’t like Mackovic and had a players meeting with Lamar where they demanded he be fired and that Frank Ganz could take over. This was AFTER mackovic signed a 2 year extension for getting the chiefs to the playoffs. Lamar cited a “Lack of chemistry between players and coach”. The Chiefs clinched a playoff spot on the road in Pittsburgh while being outgained 571 - 190. They blocked a punt and returned it for a TD. Ran back a kickoff for a TD. Blocked a FG and returned THAT for a TD to hold on and win. And that kids, is how Frank Ganz got a head coaching position.
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Graystoke MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Driftless Region Casino cash: $-2390000	Drafting the wrong QB in the 1983 draft just killed us. Todd Blackledge was terribad. I know 20/20 hindsight and all, but how we passed up on Marino or Kelly is a head scratcher.
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IowaHawkeyeChief In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2016 Casino cash: $-669600	QB was definitely and issue, and who knows if Marino who have succeeded here under Mackovic, but I would like to have hoped so. However, Marino and rumors dropped him to 27 so it wasn't considered a bad pick at the time. My true feeling on what snakebit this franchise in the 80's was the death of Joe Delaney. Rookie of the year and his death hit the team and fanbase like a truck. I was in high school and I remember crying when I heard the news. News moved slow then, and my Dad had on the nightly news, as he did every night, at 5:30 when it came on midway through the broadcast. I was devestated as was the franchise and it's fans. If you pair a good running back and game with Blackledge, it may have led to some momentum. It was squashed that day when Joe Delaney was a hero. God rest his soul. __________________ Chiefs are my favorite football team of all time!
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