Who should be re-signed?

[BossChief]

We have a huge list of players set to be UFA after this season. I know it’s only the halfway point, but it’s not too early to start the conversation.

We’re slated to have 24m in estimated cap space according to overthecap and currently have around 23m to rollover from this season. So, unless I’m way off (which is possible, I’m just adding up our current cap space and next years estimated taken from OTC), will have close to 47m in space before doing anything with Sammy Watkins. If we choose to cut Watkins, that adds another 14m in cap space.

Chad Henne
Xavier Williams
Lesean McCoy
Darron Lee
Jordan Lucas
Morris Claiborne
Bashaud Breeland
Emmanuel Ogbah
Chris Jones
Reggie Ragland
Matt Moore
Kendall Fuller
Anthony Sherman
Stefan Wisnewski

So far, Ogbah, Jones, Breeland and Ragland have probably all earned reasonable FA deals unless Veach thinks upgrades can be had at similar cost.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Bowser

- Henne
- Claiborne
- Ogbah
- Jones
- Fuller
- Sherman

As for the rest, I'll give them the remaining 8 games to prove it.

Henne - No. Time to get a young cheap BU
Sherman - No. A luxury we can't afford moving forward.

I'd keep Ogbah, Jones, and Fuller.

Not going to keep our entire set of corners....

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Hitchens makes half of what the elite off-ball LBers make right now. It is what it is.

They’re using him in much better ways now and he’s making some plays. Is he gonna lock up Jones/McCaffrey/Kamari in coverage? **** no. But what linebacker is?

Probably Keuchly that’s the only person I can think of

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Hoover

Henne - No. Time to get a young cheap BU
Sherman - No. A luxury we can't afford moving forward.

I'd keep Ogbah, Jones, and Fuller.

Not going to keep our entire set of corners....

Sherman literally only costs a mil a year

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by notorious

When can they punt Hitchens?

2022 is the first time they actually save money by cutting him.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by Mecca

2022 is the first time they actually save money by cutting him.

That’s not true. After 2020.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

WARD IS ELITE!!

#Chiefs CB Charvarius Ward has continued playing well now to the midpoint of the regular season

• 0.67 Yards/Coverage snap since Week 2 (3rd, CB w/ 200+ Cov. snaps)

• #1 on KC for Overall D, Run D, and Tackling grades (300+ snaps), #2 in Coverage (Thornhill)#ChiefsKingdom

— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) October 30, 2019

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by O.city

They just did a full defensive rebuild.

They're in the normal "year after year" mode where it'll be guys in and guys out. This doom and gloom bullshit is ****ing dumb.

And from that rebuild it looks like Clark sucks, and most of the rest of those guys need to be replaced.

If I add Mathieu to the list we have 3 D players that take up 51 million of cap space.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

That’s not true. After 2020.

12 mil in dead cap space yikes

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

We have a huge list of players set to be UFA after this season. I know it’s only the halfway point, but it’s not too early to start the conversation.

We’re slated to have 24m in estimated cap space according to overthecap and currently have around 23m to rollover from this season. So, unless I’m way off (which is possible, I’m just adding up our current cap space and next years estimated taken from OTC), will have close to 47m in space before doing anything with Sammy Watkins. If we choose to cut Watkins, that adds another 14m in cap space.

Chad Henne
Xavier Williams
Lesean McCoy
Darron Lee
Jordan Lucas
Morris Claiborne
Bashaud Breeland
Emmanuel Ogbah
Chris Jones
Reggie Ragland
Matt Moore
Kendall Fuller
Anthony Sherman
Stefan Wisnewski

So far, Ogbah, Jones, Breeland and Ragland have probably all earned reasonable FA deals unless Veach thinks upgrades can be had at similar cost.

The $24 million is INCLUSIVE of the rollover and based on a projected $200 million cap.

The Chiefs have, with rollover, an 'adjusted cap' of $222 million. Let's just go to $220 million because there are probably some incentives that will trigger by the end of the year.

They have $198 million in commitments for next season ($190 plus about $8 million in dead money).

If they cut Watkins, that gets them another $14 million. A post June 1 cut of Hitchens frees up another $8 million. Cutting LDT frees up $5 million, Sorensen $3.75 million, Erving $4.6 million, Damien Williams $2.3 million and Colquitt $2 million.

So let's just cut all of 'em. That would free up another $39 million in space. The dead money charge for 2021 wouldn't be a lot of fun but you're 'forward funding' it by clearing rollover for next season. You're probably taking about $7 million off of that due to draft picks; we'll round down to $6 though.

All told the Chiefs could get to about $55 million in cap space for next season without any real long-term damage done. Now they'd do that without a swing tackle, no Jones, no starting LG, no MLB, no starting RB and only a couple of CBs under contract and little/no DL depth, but it's possible. If you presume they add 7 draft picks to the roster, that would also only have them at 40 players.

So with that $55 million let's assume they've added a CB in the 1st round. They'll need to find a couple of starting LBs, a potential starting CB, a couple of solid veteran CBs, a starting RB, a starting G, at least one starting LB (potentially 2 as Ragland and Lee are gone as well; Wilson's the only holdover starter at that point).

Let's say you need to add 6 guys who are either starters or at least guys like Okafor who are 'starter capable'. Would you say it's fair to average those sorts of guys at roughly $6 million/per? Let's be optimistic and say $5 million per. That soaks up about $30 million of that and you probably haven't added a single 'difference maker' in that lot; that's a whole lot of Okafor level talent you'd be adding.

So now you're up to 46 players with those additions AND draft picks. You're down to roughly $25 million in cap space. At that point you're really doing anything you can with Mahomes and his camp to ensure that his extension doesn't start until the 2021 season. He might do it - but he might not. It's just money he's leaving on the table. If he insists on ripping up the 4th year of his deal on an extension, you're adding at least $20 million to the cap and that's if you're fortunate enough to get his year 1 hit down to $25 million (in lieu of his existing $20 million).

Now you're just filling in the roster with minimum level guys. So unless you're going to bring back some of the above options in your '$5 million/season' pool, most if not all of them are gone.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

That’s not true. After 2020.

Uh overthecap says if Hitchens is cut prior to the 2021 season his hit is 8.4 million dollars with a savings of 2.2 mill.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Mecca

And from that rebuild it looks like Clark sucks, and most of the rest of those guys need to be replaced.

If I add Mathieu to the list we have 3 D players that take up 51 million of cap space.

He's hurt. If he sucks when he's healthy, sure.

But if this is how you see it, lets just blow it all up. I'd tag and trade Jones, let every walk and collect as many comp picks as you can, open up money and try to collect draft picks.

Bring in a new HC and a GM.

Then maybe you'll shut the **** up about it.

[O.city]

That's what you guys want. Do it thru the draft. Sign mid level free agents.

I'm here for it, lets do it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

12 mil in dead cap space yikes

If you cut him after June 1, the last 2 years of his accelerated bonus go onto your 2021 cap.

So you'd take a $4 million cap hit in 2020 and an $8 million dead hit in 2021. The upshot is that you'd save the $7.8 million base over that time period that you'd have paid him in 2020 to keep him. You'll take that $8 million dead hit in 2021 if you cut him prior to June 1, 2021 anyway so that doesn't change much.

From a long-term planning perspective, if he doesn't get a hell of a lot better this year, you have to June 1 his ass and move along.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's what you guys want. Do it thru the draft. Sign mid level free agents.

I'm here for it, lets do it.

Veach has been solid at UDFA

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If you cut him after June 1, the last 2 years of his accelerated bonus go onto your 2021 cap.

So you'd take a $4 million cap hit in 2020 and an $8 million dead hit in 2021. The upshot is that you'd save the $7.8 million base over that time period that you'd have paid him in 2020 to keep him. You'll take that $8 million dead hit in 2021 if you cut him prior to June 1, 2021 anyway so that doesn't change much.

From a long-term planning perspective, if he doesn't get a hell of a lot better this year, you have to June 1 his ass and move along.

Something tells me they're gonna have a hard time admitting that was a bad signing in the same offseason that they have to cut Watkins.