Mock (11/14) - Page 3

Direckshun · 11-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

The only thing you understand is how to talk out of your ****ing ass like a champ.

I said they were better players, not first ****ing round picks. I didn't have Ford rated in the top 2 rounds. He sucks. He sucks hard ****ing balls. He still sucks. He still can't defend the run. He's still a pussy with a big mouth. Until he proves otherwise, that's all he'll ever be.

My target players were Cooks, Matthews, Ward, in that order in round 1.

I actually had Gaines in several of my mocks. I thought he wouldn't last until round 3 and ended up taking him out towards the end.

Go on thinking about Dorsey's crystal ball, or whatever the **** you think it is. All ****ing NFL teams use analytics for everything they do. If you think Dorsey is breaking some kind of ****ing ground, more power to you.

You're a ****ing moron. I'll be sure to constantly ridicule your awful ****ing posts.

Pull up your panties, lady.

kccrow · 11-16-2014, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're a ****ing moron. I'll be sure to constantly ridicule your awful ****ing posts.

Pull up your panties, lady.

hahaha i care? moving on to the other 12000 douchebags around here

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 08:51 PM

You both are partially right.

Dorsey will go BPA, but he will do it off his board and his board seems to be stacked with talent that will fix current holes and upcoming holes.

They identify holes and upcoming holes, stack the board with players they need to fill em and go BPA from there.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 08:53 PM

I do like Kendricks though.

Really hope Kevin White ends up with like a Supposed drug problem or something

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

hahaha i care? moving on to the other 12000 douchebags around here

It's absolutely hilarious how serious mockers like you take yourselves.

"Well, *I* would have taken player X, not player Y".

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:00 PM

With that said, it would not surprise me if they ended up letting Bowe walk if he didn't agree to a major contract restructure before the draft. The same probably goes for Sean Smith.

Their money should go to working on a Berry extension and the franchise tag for Houston.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:03 PM

Sean smith is a prime player right now, can't let him go.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:06 PM

Ya I don't think so Tim

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

With that said, it would not surprise me if they ended up letting Bowe walk if he didn't agree to a major contract restructure before the draft. The same probably goes for Sean Smith.

Their money should go to working on a Berry extension and the franchise tag for Houston.

Sean Smith?? How is he not earning his paltry salary?

Some people act like he's getting Revis money. In fact, he's receiving a half of Revis money.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:10 PM

How do you figure that they can afford to franchise Houston? Dig some cap space out from underneath the couch?

Sean Smith is a solid guy, but they are gonna have to make some tough decisions in the winter.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

How do you figure that they can afford to franchise Houston? Dig some cap space out from underneath the couch?

Sean Smith is a solid guy, but they are gonna have to make some tough decisions in the winter.

Good god, this again?

Avery, DeVito and Fasano account for nearly $10 million alone. There is no way they pay Hali $12 million and I'd be shocked if they kept Berry at $8.3 million. It's extremely unlikely they pay Bowe $14 million, so at the end of the day, there will be plenty for Houston.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Good god, this again?

Avery, DeVito and Fasano account for nearly $10 million alone. There is no way they pay Hali $12 million and I'd be shocked if they kept Berry at $8.3 million. It's extremely unlikely they pay Bowe $14 million, so at the end of the day, there will be plenty for Houston.

I'm not saying getting rid of Smith is a better alternative from those moves. I am saying they need to make moves and he could be a possibility.

If I were going to do hair cuts, I'd get rid of:
Devito, Daniel, Avery, Mays and Fasano. If Bowe doesn't agree to a major restructure, cut him also.

Cutting Berry would be foolish. They should try to see if he would agree to a new deal during the winter instead and try to reform his contract away from the old ridiculous rookie deal.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:18 PM

I'm thinking they'll probably move from DJ as well.

I'd actually like to add another athletic TE and keep Fasano but the numbers may not let them.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I'm not saying getting rid of Smith is a better alternative from those moves. I am saying they need to make moves and he could be a possibility.

There is absolutely no way to replace his on field production for less than what they're on the hook for Smith next year.

Berry would be gone before Smith.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I'm thinking they'll probably move from DJ as well.

I'd actually like to add another athletic TE and keep Fasano but the numbers may not let them.

They can cut Fasano and get nearly $2 million in cap relief.

I cannot envision a scenario in which he returns. He's been injured frequently and isn't a reliable player.

11-14-2014, 12:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Mock (11/14) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained. 2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015. 3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed). 4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming. 5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin. 6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray. 7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals. 8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal. 9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster). On with the show: 1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety. The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring. Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside. 2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself. 3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine. 3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary. 4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate. 5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016. 5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it. 5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia. 6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle. 7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget. 7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3179900 VARSITY	You both are partially right. Dorsey will go BPA, but he will do it off his board and his board seems to be stacked with talent that will fix current holes and upcoming holes. They identify holes and upcoming holes, stack the board with players they need to fill em and go BPA from there.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	I do like Kendricks though. Really hope Kevin White ends up with like a Supposed drug problem or something
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3179900 VARSITY	With that said, it would not surprise me if they ended up letting Bowe walk if he didn't agree to a major contract restructure before the draft. The same probably goes for Sean Smith. Their money should go to working on a Berry extension and the franchise tag for Houston.
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11-16-2014, 09:03 PM	#37
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	Sean smith is a prime player right now, can't let him go.
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3179900 VARSITY	Ya I don't think so Tim
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BryanBusby In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2006 Casino cash: $3179900 VARSITY	How do you figure that they can afford to franchise Houston? Dig some cap space out from underneath the couch? Sean Smith is a solid guy, but they are gonna have to make some tough decisions in the winter.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-515936	I'm thinking they'll probably move from DJ as well. I'd actually like to add another athletic TE and keep Fasano but the numbers may not let them.
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