Chiefs A txt conversation with a friend who's a lifelong Philly fan.. - Page 3

dtebbe · 01-05-2013, 12:00 PM

Overall, he likes Andy Reid and appreciates what he's done over the years. I feel that he's pretty much like most of us are about Marty. He's happy to see Reid go (like many of us were with Marty), but I've warned him that we've all learned sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Anyway, here were some of his points:

"Jamal Charles will never be as great a RB from this day forward as long as he is a Chief"

Me: "He can catch passes you know.."

"Andy reid will make the Chiefs meaningful in the league as long as the owner sticks with him. But you will question some of the personnel moves when drafting. You will win games but you will get sick of the fumbled time management at the end of halfs and end of games. You will get tired of hearing 'I have to be better putting the players in the right positions'.. You'll really get pissed at 3rd and short and Andy calls a deep route to a double covered receiver. That's gonna piss you off post."

Me: "Can't be worse than Marty running it up the center's azz on 3rd and long

"

Me: "Oh, and 2-14"

He feels very strongly that no matter how awesome Charles is running the ball that he won't get the carries under Reid.

I just thought I'd share..

DT

mcaj22 · 01-05-2013, 04:27 PM

Charles 3 best years

carries - 705
receptions - 120

total touches - 825

Shady 3 best years

carries - 680
receptions - 180

total touches - 860

What is the problem here? This includes where Charles GOT 285 CARRIES in a 2-14 season where this entire forum said "That is way to much to be giving Charles coming off an injury in a shitty season with a terrible coaching staff"

This awful coaching staff and Brian Daboll ran Charles into the GROUND this season. Be thankful he even made it out because that crappy offense literally tried to kill his career.

Jamaal will still get the rock, but you will give a little in the run game for the pass game, and I mean, who gives a shit. Eagles fans just want to run Shady into the ground. Chiefs fans are the exact opposite with their guy

**bevischief** · 01-05-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zebedee DuBois

I also had a text conversation with a friend of mine from NJ who is a Philly fan. He was not to high on AR, mentioning clock management and indicating that AR mostly rode on the success of the former DC who died. My friend did allow that KC had probably improved their situation.
I also asked if they noticed our fan revolt out there....he said, "Huh?"

Hell they have heard of it up here in Viking, Greenbay land.

duncan_idaho · 01-05-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

These are awesome stats and I appreciate you looking them up... However, do those stats reflect RB carries only or do they also incorporate QB scrambles?

If its the latter of the two, those stats might be a shade skewed.

TIA...

McCoy was top 10 in carries last year, the only season he has been completely healthy in the past 3.

If you combine his carries with Bryce Brown's this year, it is top 10 again. It's not just Michael Vick scrambles getting worked in.

Wyndex · 01-05-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyndex

In 2010 Charles had 208 carries, McCoy had 207 both played in 15 games. In 2011 McCoy was 8th in the league in carries with 273 over 15 games. This past year McCoy had 200 carries in 12 games, Jamaal had 284 carries. While filling in for McCoy as starter for 4 games Bryce Brown had 71 carries.

Let's squash this notion that Jamaal will not be utilized...**** I'm sure pending injury he'll never have another 4 carry game under Reid that's for sure

Not trying to be a douche and quote myself but that thread got buried and this is still relevant

**DaFace** · 01-05-2013, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dtebbe

You'll really get pissed at 3rd and short and Andy calls a deep route to a double covered receiver. That's gonna piss you off post

That may happen eventually, but for now, I'd take anything other than throwing it out in the flat on 3rd down.

mcaj22 · 01-05-2013, 04:54 PM

or the audible to that stupid QB sneak on 3rd and short that every team knows Tom Brady does but we are so bad we cant execute it and thus Ed Reed and Ray Lewis shoot the gap and stuff us based on the call, because we were the bad news bears wannabe patriots

gta0012 · 01-05-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyndex

Not trying to be a douche and quote myself but that thread got buried and this is still relevant

What you are all failing to realize is that anyone who has watched Ried for 6 or whatever years knows he under utilizes his RB. Ignore the stupid stats that don't tell the full story.

SCENERIOR :

When it's 3 and 2 in the 4th quarter on a potential game winning drive and Charles Is avg 5yds a carry but Baldwin is dropping every pass thrown his way and the chiefs line up in a shotgun empty backfield and throw to Baldwin across the middle incomplete, that is when you will understand what we're saying about not utilizing a star RB.

Sully · 01-05-2013, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

is like apples to oranges, literally pulling teeth.

Huh?

**Gonzo** · 01-05-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

McCoy was top 10 in carries last year, the only season he has been completely healthy in the past 3.

If you combine his carries with Bryce Brown's this year, it is top 10 again. It's not just Michael Vick scrambles getting worked in.

Grassy-ass, seen-your. I was just curious if the stats were legit.

Glad they were, this is good news.

2bikemike · 01-05-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

These are awesome stats and I appreciate you looking them up... However, do those stats reflect RB carries only or do they also incorporate QB scrambles?

If its the latter of the two, those stats might be a shade skewed.

TIA...

Always more info buried in stats some explainable and some not. I was just doing a quick check to see what all the fuss was. I am much to lazy to dig deep.

WhiteWhale · 01-05-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade

I thought we were using Charles as trade bait

Don't look at me. I'm the guy's biggest fan. I wanted him starting from the day he got here.

I admit that is in part because I always loathed that woman beating wanna-be-thug piece of shit Larry Johnson, but it was also because I thought Charles was highly undervalued as an NFL prospect. I viewed him as a potential elite talent.

For ONCE, I was right, so I'm a huge fan and so forth.

I know that's in response to a ridiculous thread... but still.

I loved Glenn Dorsey too obv that worked out less well.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

one thing you have to understand is that 70 to 80 percent of the fan base only knows ANDY REID EAGLES. 14 years is a long time. The current 30 year old Eagles fan was 16 when Andy was hired in Philly. That is a LONG time. Majority of their current fanbase jumped on board in the 2000 decade when they were winning. Most of their younger base dont know or experience the Eagles prior to Andy Reid or their losing culture prior to Andy.

They didnt have to endure what a Chiefs fan has, with consistent losing seasons, coaching, staff, FO changes, etc. This year was the first year in like 14 years the Eagles had a true blue LOSING season. Nobody counts that down year with Mike McMahon or whatever that bozos name was. This year was a real stinker for them, and for most Eagles fans, that was a first experience for them.

Well, the fan base overreacted to Reid calling for his head in the way they did. But there are lots of Eagles fans who are telling us what to expect from Reid in a really intelligent way. The text in the OP is pretty spot on. Terrific coach who's going to make some head scratching decisions on game day.

**Bwana** · 01-06-2013, 10:29 AM

The way I look at it, I really don't care what he does as long as he WINS.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bwana

The way I look at it, I really don't care what he does as long as he WINS.

Yes and no. As I've said before... one of the challenges with Reid is that he's going to build one hell of a team, but you have to hope that team is good enough to overcome the fact that in a playoff stretch, he's probably going to shoot himself in the foot plenty of times.

**Dave Lane** · 01-06-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey23545

Hell, he just got 1500 yards in a year where every defense knew he was the only weapon...Imagine what he could do if he had a real offense to complement him.

He might have 100 carries for 9900 yards.

01-05-2013, 12:00 PM
dtebbe 3M TA3 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: SoFlo Casino cash: $9993039	A txt conversation with a friend who's a lifelong Philly fan.. Overall, he likes Andy Reid and appreciates what he's done over the years. I feel that he's pretty much like most of us are about Marty. He's happy to see Reid go (like many of us were with Marty), but I've warned him that we've all learned sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for. Anyway, here were some of his points: "Jamal Charles will never be as great a RB from this day forward as long as he is a Chief" Me: "He can catch passes you know.." "Andy reid will make the Chiefs meaningful in the league as long as the owner sticks with him. But you will question some of the personnel moves when drafting. You will win games but you will get sick of the fumbled time management at the end of halfs and end of games. You will get tired of hearing 'I have to be better putting the players in the right positions'.. You'll really get pissed at 3rd and short and Andy calls a deep route to a double covered receiver. That's gonna piss you off post." Me: "Can't be worse than Marty running it up the center's azz on 3rd and long " Me: "Oh, and 2-14" He feels very strongly that no matter how awesome Charles is running the ball that he won't get the carries under Reid. I just thought I'd share.. DT
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01-05-2013, 04:27 PM	#31
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	Charles 3 best years carries - 705 receptions - 120 total touches - 825 Shady 3 best years carries - 680 receptions - 180 total touches - 860 What is the problem here? This includes where Charles GOT 285 CARRIES in a 2-14 season where this entire forum said "That is way to much to be giving Charles coming off an injury in a shitty season with a terrible coaching staff" This awful coaching staff and Brian Daboll ran Charles into the GROUND this season. Be thankful he even made it out because that crappy offense literally tried to kill his career. Jamaal will still get the rock, but you will give a little in the run game for the pass game, and I mean, who gives a shit. Eagles fans just want to run Shady into the ground. Chiefs fans are the exact opposite with their guy
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01-05-2013, 04:54 PM	#36
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	or the audible to that stupid QB sneak on 3rd and short that every team knows Tom Brady does but we are so bad we cant execute it and thus Ed Reed and Ray Lewis shoot the gap and stuff us based on the call, because we were the bad news bears wannabe patriots
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01-06-2013, 10:29 AM	#43
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2136093647	The way I look at it, I really don't care what he does as long as he WINS. __________________ Adventure is dangerous....but monotony can kill you.
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