Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 3

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

#5 overall
#3 overall
#11 overall

with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What you fail to address is that all of those teams were built around ONE first-round guy (if that).

The Giants got their guys in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. The Pats had Seymour but Wilfork was taken at the back of the first. The Steelers have a couple of guys from the late 1st but nobody in the top 10. And their top passrusher was an undrafted FA. Outside of Freeny at #11 overall, the Colts didn't invest top draft picks in linemen.

What do most of those teams have in common? When they had a top 10 (or even top 5) pick, they took a QUARTERBACK.

We've spent so many top draft picks on linemen that we're woefully thin on top-tier talent elsewhere.

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

Deberg_1990 · 09-10-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Take Sanchez and roll the dice.

No he hasn't looked great to this point but it's also New York - you have no idea how good he would have been here. Hell, he might have been worse.

But at least you tried.

Too risky. We cant sacrifice a potential 7 or 8 win season.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Romeo stated publicly that if he wasn't hired as the head coach after his 2-1 performance last year, he'd move on and not stay in KC.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Second, Look at the picks the year Pioli took Jackson. They aren't very good players. maybe we could have taken Raji but he hasn't been that great. Jackson looks pretty good to me when you look at that class. I'm not really sure where you think we were going to get an impact player in that bunch?

Are you mentally challenged?

Brian Orapko, Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman would have been far better selections than Jackson, as would Alex Mack, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Eric Wood or Vontae Davis.

Tyson Jackson would have been a good choice in the third round. Number three overall?

Not so much.

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

Sanchez aint too bad

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

What the **** have you missed out on by taking Sanchez?

Just because hindsight tells you we're not better off, what have you lost by taking the chance?

Fans like you are why this franchise is mired in mediocrity. Enjoy your 9-7 season.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 11:58 AM

back to Sanchez

after one of his good games, of course.

after a bad game, silence

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Are you mentally challenged?

Brian Orapko, Clay Matthews, Brian Cushing, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman would have been far better selections than Jackson, as would Alex Mack, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Eric Wood or Vontae Davis.

Tyson Jackson would have been a good choice in the third round. Number three overall?

Not so much.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Bad post. Who were we supposed to take with any of those top 10 picks at QB? By your logic, we would have Sanchez and Weeden over Jackson and Poe. That's just not better off imo.

You're a ****ing reerun.

Welcome to Chiefsplanet, the second home to many reeruns.

htismaqe · 09-10-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

back to Sanchez

after one of his good games, of course.

after a bad game, silence

You do realize that this has nothing to do with Sanchez other than the fact that he was the QB that was obviously available when we took Tyson Jackson, right?

L.A. Chieffan · 09-10-2012, 11:59 AM

uh oh black bob, you might want to fake an injury real quick

PhillyChiefFan · 09-10-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Hali will miss one game.

Our secondary needed the most help. We didn't address it at because of that it completely neutered our defense.

Yep. Lack of a pass rush only helped the exposure of an extremely weak secondary.

Atlanta didn't need to focus on Hali. That left Studebaker and a very raw Houston. Atlanta contained Houston and effectively stopped the pass rush altogether.

No pass rush + no secondary = Ryan's field day.

If yesterday showed anything, it is the lack of quality defensive depth, IMO.

KCrockaholic · 09-10-2012, 11:59 AM

But Mecca would rather rape himself with a toilet brush than draft Brian Orakpo.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Take Sanchez and roll the dice.

No he hasn't looked great to this point but it's also New York - you have no idea how good he would have been here. Hell, he might have been worse.

But at least you tried.

Maybe we should have traded for Tebow to?

**BossChief** · 09-10-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Should have let him go.

Haha

Overreact much?

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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