Looks like we’re paying Bolton and letting Trey walk - Page 3

RunKC · 11-13-2024, 01:06 PM

Per Jeremy Fowler

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Hopefully Bolton doesn’t rape us.

I think this is the most likely outcome unfortunately. Trey is gonna get $21 million APY.

Hoping we can keep Hopkins, Hardman and Juju on fair deals, maybe Uche if he’ll agree to a fair deal and extend Thuney’s deal to free up cap space and push that can down the road a bit.

Hicks can replace Reid. Wanya will likely replace Trey and we’ll look for a LT somewhere.

Direckshun · 11-18-2024, 08:53 AM

So, why couldn't we tag and trade Trey, for a Sneed-like 3rd in 2025, or 2026?

duncan_idaho · 11-18-2024, 05:49 PM

I'd say... let them both walk.

Spend the money in FA at positions that make a bigger impact.

There are some free agent tackles that I would try to pay if given the chance over Trey Smith. Cam Robinson, Garrett Bolles, Jedrick Wills, Ronnie Stanley, Joe Noteboom.

There are pass rushers I'd focus on first, too. If Omenihu looks recovered or close to it, I'd prioritize signing him over signing Bolton for sure. Josh Sweat would be an interesting addition if he hits the market. Etc.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-19-2024, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

So, why couldn't we tag and trade Trey, for a Sneed-like 3rd in 2025, or 2026?

You aren't getting a 3rd back for him when he will be on a $23-25m-ish tag.

You might however get a 3rd round comp pick if he walks.

Chiefspants · 11-19-2024, 01:36 PM

We need to let both walk.

Bolton has taken a half step back and unfortunately needs to be in the Top 3 of his position to justify a second contract. I recommend re-watching our 2022-2023 playoff games. Bolton was everywhere, and I mean everywhere. I had forgotten just what a constant force he was on nearly every play. Since his wrist injury, he occasionally has put together a game like that, but it seems like he might just be a half-step more timid compared to his 2022 form. I love Bolton, but I do not think his position (even if he’s in the Top 10 at the position) justifies a second contract.

But, Spags really, really values the QB of his defense (it’s why we played an unplayable Hitchens a season too long), so we’ll see how it shakes out.

DJ's left nut · 11-19-2024, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

We need to let both walk.

Bolton has taken a half step back and unfortunately needs to be in the Top 3 of his position to justify a second contract. I recommend re-watching our 2022-2023 playoff games. Bolton was everywhere, and I mean everywhere. I had forgotten just what a constant force he was on nearly every play. Since his wrist injury, he occasionally has put together a game like that, but it seems like he might just be a half-step more timid compared to his 2022 form. I love Bolton, but I do not think his position (even if he’s in the Top 10 at the position) justifies a second contract.

But, Spags really, really values the QB of his defense (it’s why we played an unplayable Hitchens a season too long), so we’ll see how it shakes out.

Don't forget that he had Gay running shotgun and taking the sideline to sideline responsibility then. Now he has Tranquil who's a very smart player but a clear step (probably two steps) slower and less athletic than Gay.

Losing Willie has exposed Bolton, IMO. I'd be fine letting Bolton walk, signing Gay in the off-season for the Will role and putting Tranquil at Mike.

Chiefspants · 11-19-2024, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Don't forget that he had Gay running shotgun and taking the sideline to sideline responsibility then. Now he has Tranquil who's a very smart player but a clear step (probably two steps) slower and less athletic than Gay.

Losing Willie has exposed Bolton, IMO. I'd be fine letting Bolton walk, signing Gay in the off-season for the Will role and putting Tranquil at Mike.

I’m still bewildered about how we handled Gay. He was a pretty big cog in our gameplan against significant rivals (the Ravens and Bills) and that alone seems like it should have justified us matching NOLA’s deal with him. NOLA did have him as a healthy scratch early in the year, so maybe there really is more than meets the eye there?

DJ's left nut · 11-19-2024, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I’m still bewildered about how we handled Gay. He was a pretty big cog in our gameplan against significant rivals (the Ravens and Bills) and that alone seems like it should have justified us matching NOLA’s deal with him. NOLA did have him as a healthy scratch early in the year, so maybe there really is more than meets the eye there?

He's a freelancer and sometimes a bit of an idiot.

Those guys drive coaches crazy. Because they believe that any breakdown in a defense must be execution rather than scheme.

So when they see a guy leave the scheme to make a play, it barely registers. But when that guy fails to execute within the scheme and the defense fails, they don't think of it as the flipside of the coin, they think of it as proof that said player isn't an asset.

Chiefspants · 11-19-2024, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's a freelancer and sometimes a bit of an idiot.

Those guys drive coaches crazy. Because they believe that any breakdown in a defense must be execution rather than scheme.

So when they see a guy leave the scheme to make a play, it barely registers. But when that guy fails to execute within the scheme and the defense fails, they don't think of it as the flipside of the coin, they think of it as proof that said player isn't an asset.

I could see how he could rely on his talent to cover up those lapses, especially to fans who know none the wiser.

It’s crazy that it takes a complete unhinged maniac like Todd Haley to straighten some of those guys out, but damn it if DJ didn’t transform into an elite backer after a year of being on Haley’s shitlist.

Dante84 · 11-19-2024, 05:52 PM

When making tough decisions in life, I like to set up a decision matrix. It has helped me make important choices when it comes to jobs, relationships, finances, etc...

First, I write out all possibilities on one axis.
Second, on the other axis, I list out all of the factors/variables that I should take into account.
Third, I weight each factor. For example, if the factor is very important, I give it a 1-15 score. If the factor is not very important, I give it a 1-5 score. For the others, I give it a 1-10 score.
Last, I go through the rubric and assign each intersecting box a score.

At the end I tally the scores up, and more times than not, the correct decision is in front of me.

Possibilities to consider:

Option 1: Re-sign both
Option 2: Re-sign Trey, Let Bolton Walk
Option 3: Re-sign Bolton, Let Trey Walk
Option 4: Re-sign Trey, Tag/keep Bolton
Option 5: Re-sign Bolton, Tag/keep Trey
Option 6: Let both walk
Option 7: Tag & Trade Trey, Let Bolton Walk
Option 8: Tag & Trade Bolton, Let Trey Walk
Option 9: Tag & Trade Trey, Re-sign Bolton
Option 10: Tag & Trade Bolton, Re-sign Trey

Factors to consider:

- Who has the most upside remaining over the life of a new deal?
- Who has the most impact on future seasons' performance (accounting for their quality of play, their leadership, their intelligence, their athleticism, their positional value)?
- Who is the most reliable from a health standpoint over the life of a new deal?
- Who is the most replaceable (accounting for current roster, FA, or draft)?
- Who is the most affordable?
- Who is the most flexible when it comes to a team-friendly deal structure?
- What is the impact on the ability to retain other players who need contracts (McDuffie, etc...)

If I don't like the output it gives me, I start to see what other reasonable elements (that I control) I can add to the options, and run it through the rubric.

Example: "Restructure X other player + Option 1,2,3..."

If I still don't have a reasonable output, it usually means I need more information, which changes the question, so I do more rubrics.

"If I'm able to sign X player from FA before I make this decision, how does it change the score?"

"If I'm able to draft X player before I make this decision, how does it change the score?"

Sassy Squatch · 11-19-2024, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I’m still bewildered about how we handled Gay. He was a pretty big cog in our gameplan against significant rivals (the Ravens and Bills) and that alone seems like it should have justified us matching NOLA’s deal with him. NOLA did have him as a healthy scratch early in the year, so maybe there really is more than meets the eye there?

It's not exactly a secret he isn't the brightest bulb, yeah? Dude managed to get a 4 game suspension fighting a vacuum cleaner.

Chiefspants · 11-19-2024, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

It's not exactly a secret he isn't the brightest bulb, yeah? Dude managed to get a 4 game suspension fighting a vacuum cleaner.

I’d be okay if he fought a dishwasher if he’d agreed to a 1 yr/6 million deal with us.

**Buehler445** · 11-20-2024, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

I’m still bewildered about how we handled Gay. He was a pretty big cog in our gameplan against significant rivals (the Ravens and Bills) and that alone seems like it should have justified us matching NOLA’s deal with him. NOLA did have him as a healthy scratch early in the year, so maybe there really is more than meets the eye there?

I think Spags would rather do it with a safety in the Sorensen mold for that role. Total speculation, but I'm guessing he thinks it is easier to make a safety do LB things than an LB cover space like a safety.

Hicks, Cook, Conner I think is the goal.

Again, total speculation.

duncan_idaho · 11-20-2024, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Don't forget that he had Gay running shotgun and taking the sideline to sideline responsibility then. Now he has Tranquil who's a very smart player but a clear step (probably two steps) slower and less athletic than Gay.

Losing Willie has exposed Bolton, IMO. I'd be fine letting Bolton walk, signing Gay in the off-season for the Will role and putting Tranquil at Mike.

This is the way. I'm fully on board with that plan.

Bring Willie back! Tell Nick to enjoy making a lot of money for a bad team with cap space and thank him for the memories. Let Tranquill run the middle.

Draft to back fill and try to draft more athleticism this time.

kccrow · 11-21-2024, 03:52 PM

Let them both walk.

Bolton is a major liability in pass coverage.

Smith is inconsistent in pass protection.

Neither will be worth the coin long-term.

RunKC · Yesterday, 10:08 AM

I mostly agree with Verderame’s thoughts on this. Here’s his plan:

-Let Bolton walk
-re-sign Trey
-Extend McDuffie
-Work on extending Watson, Chenal and Cook to reasonable deals
-Move Kingsley to G and continue developing as a backup)
-Wanya at swing tackle
-Do whatever possible to move up for a LT in the draft
-wait and see on Karlaftis. Depends on price. If a fair deal like 4/$60 million is agreed to then keep him. If he wants the bag let him walk.

Don’t agree with all of that but I do think they need to spend the cap on key guys from the
2022 class. McDuffie, Chenal and Watson.

Those three have proven their value here and need to stay. They’re young and ascending.

We need to pay them

11-13-2024, 01:06 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $179611	Looks like we’re paying Bolton and letting Trey walk Per Jeremy Fowler pic.twitter.com/idqDMmc5xo — Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) November 13, 2024 Hopefully Bolton doesn’t rape us. I think this is the most likely outcome unfortunately. Trey is gonna get $21 million APY. Hoping we can keep Hopkins, Hardman and Juju on fair deals, maybe Uche if he’ll agree to a fair deal and extend Thuney’s deal to free up cap space and push that can down the road a bit. Hicks can replace Reid. Wanya will likely replace Trey and we’ll look for a LT somewhere.
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11-18-2024, 08:53 AM	#31
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3083447	So, why couldn't we tag and trade Trey, for a Sneed-like 3rd in 2025, or 2026?
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11-18-2024, 05:49 PM	#32
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-309692	I'd say... let them both walk. Spend the money in FA at positions that make a bigger impact. There are some free agent tackles that I would try to pay if given the chance over Trey Smith. Cam Robinson, Garrett Bolles, Jedrick Wills, Ronnie Stanley, Joe Noteboom. There are pass rushers I'd focus on first, too. If Omenihu looks recovered or close to it, I'd prioritize signing him over signing Bolton for sure. Josh Sweat would be an interesting addition if he hits the market. Etc. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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11-19-2024, 01:36 PM	#34
Chiefspants World's Best Boss Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country Casino cash: $4434654	We need to let both walk. Bolton has taken a half step back and unfortunately needs to be in the Top 3 of his position to justify a second contract. I recommend re-watching our 2022-2023 playoff games. Bolton was everywhere, and I mean everywhere. I had forgotten just what a constant force he was on nearly every play. Since his wrist injury, he occasionally has put together a game like that, but it seems like he might just be a half-step more timid compared to his 2022 form. I love Bolton, but I do not think his position (even if he’s in the Top 10 at the position) justifies a second contract. But, Spags really, really values the QB of his defense (it’s why we played an unplayable Hitchens a season too long), so we’ll see how it shakes out.
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11-19-2024, 05:52 PM	#39
Dante84 Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: ATX & OPKS Casino cash: $-258004 VARSITY	When making tough decisions in life, I like to set up a decision matrix. It has helped me make important choices when it comes to jobs, relationships, finances, etc... First, I write out all possibilities on one axis. Second, on the other axis, I list out all of the factors/variables that I should take into account. Third, I weight each factor. For example, if the factor is very important, I give it a 1-15 score. If the factor is not very important, I give it a 1-5 score. For the others, I give it a 1-10 score. Last, I go through the rubric and assign each intersecting box a score. At the end I tally the scores up, and more times than not, the correct decision is in front of me. Possibilities to consider: Option 1: Re-sign both Option 2: Re-sign Trey, Let Bolton Walk Option 3: Re-sign Bolton, Let Trey Walk Option 4: Re-sign Trey, Tag/keep Bolton Option 5: Re-sign Bolton, Tag/keep Trey Option 6: Let both walk Option 7: Tag & Trade Trey, Let Bolton Walk Option 8: Tag & Trade Bolton, Let Trey Walk Option 9: Tag & Trade Trey, Re-sign Bolton Option 10: Tag & Trade Bolton, Re-sign Trey Factors to consider: - Who has the most upside remaining over the life of a new deal? - Who has the most impact on future seasons' performance (accounting for their quality of play, their leadership, their intelligence, their athleticism, their positional value)? - Who is the most reliable from a health standpoint over the life of a new deal? - Who is the most replaceable (accounting for current roster, FA, or draft)? - Who is the most affordable? - Who is the most flexible when it comes to a team-friendly deal structure? - What is the impact on the ability to retain other players who need contracts (McDuffie, etc...) If I don't like the output it gives me, I start to see what other reasonable elements (that I control) I can add to the options, and run it through the rubric. Example: "Restructure X other player + Option 1,2,3..." If I still don't have a reasonable output, it usually means I need more information, which changes the question, so I do more rubrics. "If I'm able to sign X player from FA before I make this decision, how does it change the score?" "If I'm able to draft X player before I make this decision, how does it change the score?" __________________ ..
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11-21-2024, 03:52 PM	#44
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $106403	Let them both walk. Bolton is a major liability in pass coverage. Smith is inconsistent in pass protection. Neither will be worth the coin long-term.
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Yesterday, 10:08 AM	#45
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $179611	I mostly agree with Verderame’s thoughts on this. Here’s his plan: -Let Bolton walk -re-sign Trey -Extend McDuffie -Work on extending Watson, Chenal and Cook to reasonable deals -Move Kingsley to G and continue developing as a backup) -Wanya at swing tackle -Do whatever possible to move up for a LT in the draft -wait and see on Karlaftis. Depends on price. If a fair deal like 4/$60 million is agreed to then keep him. If he wants the bag let him walk. Don’t agree with all of that but I do think they need to spend the cap on key guys from the 2022 class. McDuffie, Chenal and Watson. Those three have proven their value here and need to stay. They’re young and ascending. We need to pay them __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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