Chiefs Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling - Page 3

**Bowser** · 10-29-2023, 06:50 PM

I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place.

Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off.

Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason?

Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.

TEX · 10-29-2023, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco

The check downs are because the wrs are complete ass. And Pat is not himself this year and that because the receivers are complete ass.

Mostly looks like an Alex Smith offense.

Red Dawg · 10-29-2023, 07:20 PM

Mahomes went deep on 3rd and five and went deep on 4th and 2. Neither were complete. We don't have a deep game this year. He's gotta move the chains with shorter throws.

MahomesMagic · 10-29-2023, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Mostly looks like an Alex Smith offense.

When you have a rocket arm like Mahomes you know you need to dink and dunk.

crayzkirk · 10-29-2023, 07:23 PM

Seems like a lot of plays and passes are at or behind the line of scrimmage. I like Pacheco and yet, when I watch teams with a real running game, it looks like the Chiefs are missing something. They don't seem to be able to get outside and many times, the defenders are standing in the backfield to meet them. Is it the scheme, players or both?

For sure, Pat was off today. He held the ball way too long.

Herewego · 10-29-2023, 07:24 PM

Five turnovers. Dropped TD pass.

-King- · 10-29-2023, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crayzkirk

Seems like a lot of plays and passes are at or behind the line of scrimmage. I like Pacheco and yet, when I watch teams with a real running game, it looks like the Chiefs are missing something. They don't seem to be able to get outside and many times, the defenders are standing in the backfield to meet them. Is it the scheme, players or both?

For sure, Pat was off today. He held the ball way too long.

Pacheco doesn't have good vision. If the hole is right in front of him, he'll burst through it and make a good play. If he has to find a hole, he's either going to lose yards or be tackled for a short gain.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-29-2023, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Mostly looks like an Alex Smith offense.

very similar
the common denominator is Nagy.
He failed in Chicago and came back.
Andy sent Bieniemy packing who s now doing more with less in Washington than Nagy is doing with the best qb in the NFL.
I was not the biggest fan of Bieniemy but I am a lesser fan of Nagy.

Hammock Parties · 10-29-2023, 07:53 PM

Nagy's offense was good for 2nd/4th in the league before today.

When the wide receivers went completely tits up.

GMAFB

**Buehler445** · 10-29-2023, 07:58 PM

I think some of it is Reid saves the good shit for big games/playoffs.

Some of it is that our receivers are fire roasted rhinoceros assholes.

Some of it is I don't see the creativity that I've seen in prior years. Some of it might be the aforementioned saving thing. I still see some good concepts in terms of flooding zones, a nice little Skyy Moore pick play (I think that may have been illegal), and a decent little Mecole backfield play that the Cheating ****ing Donko Bitch****s sniffed out.

Very little motion, very few tendency breakers, and maybe most shockingly, very little respect for the downfield game - that's why it looked like the Smith years.

Chiefspants · 10-29-2023, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Nagy's offense was good for 2nd/4th in the league before today.

When the wide receivers went completely tits up.

GMAFB

Juju was a consistent well Patrick could go to and would be in his spots when Kelce was blanketed last year. Perhaps best seen in the second half of the Super Bowl.

We are just missing a consistent staple like that. It doesn’t feel huge when taking a macro view of the offense, but it’s the difference between long, grind it out TD drives and drives that stall at midfield or turn into field goals when can’t find someone on 3rd and 7.

493rd · 10-29-2023, 08:00 PM

Which of our WRs would start on another team? Play calling is not the problem, it’s the personnel. We have guys that can’t consistently get open, don’t run crisp routes, consistently drop passes, and some that don’t contribute at all to anything. What’s that leave? Travis Kelce and dudes outta the backfield. Veach rolled the dice thinking Toney and Moore would take the next step this year. It hasn’t happened and both are just bad. The only positive is that it’s gotten so bad that it must be addressed next season. This will end up costing the Chiefs in the end.

tk13 · 10-29-2023, 08:01 PM

Reid has always liked a horizontal passing game. People blamed the offense on Alex Smith but that was always a two way street. He fit what Reid likes to do. Always has a bunch of quick shifty WRs to spread things out horizontally to get guys in space. They do go downfield sometimes but that's never going to be the focus of the offense.

CatinKS · 10-29-2023, 08:06 PM

PM stayed in the pocket longer than in previous games. Once he was out in the open seem like the ol' Pat. Maybe the Flu and high altitude drained him so he didn't scramble as much. I blame the coaches more than the players as the game plan didn't seem as creative, like a team that had just beat this team 2 weeks ago and was ok, lets start this up in the second half.

Or the Broncs D was on Meth and just played out of thier minds.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-29-2023, 08:10 PM

I’ve lost track of how many times we’ve run a one man route on 3rd down.

Chiefshrink · 10-29-2023, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

It’s Andy

Dadgum right it is!!! Always has been and especially when Andy knows he's in a dogfight(potentially losing).

10-29-2023, 06:50 PM
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $1561616	Let's Talk About Nagy's Playcalling I think we can all agree that our offense has been "off" all season, minus the Bears and Chargers games. Mahomes hasn't looked himself by and large, and that could well be because of the talent around him, but watching the plays unfold just makes me wonder why some of the plays are being called in the first place. Today was an abomination on many fronts with the offense but it sure looked a good deal like an Alex Smith game plan, minus Mahomes' patented making something out of nothing scramble drill passes. The run plays were predictable and getting nothing, but they kept forcing them. We threw the ball laterally as much as horizontally (seemingly), and the plays themselves just look, well, off. Is it Nagy, is it Mahomes, is it the talent outside of Mahomes and Kelce, or is it a combination of all that? Or was this game just an outlier and our annual piss down our legs game as has been suggested, and I'm just OMG-ing for no good reason? Something FEELS different than in the past so far this season. I would love to put my finger on what it is, precisely.
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10-29-2023, 07:20 PM	#32
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10-29-2023, 07:23 PM	#34
crayzkirk Veteran Join Date: Nov 2016 Casino cash: $2150000	Seems like a lot of plays and passes are at or behind the line of scrimmage. I like Pacheco and yet, when I watch teams with a real running game, it looks like the Chiefs are missing something. They don't seem to be able to get outside and many times, the defenders are standing in the backfield to meet them. Is it the scheme, players or both? For sure, Pat was off today. He held the ball way too long.
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10-29-2023, 07:24 PM	#35
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10-29-2023, 07:53 PM	#38
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $2670478	Nagy's offense was good for 2nd/4th in the league before today. When the wide receivers went completely tits up. GMAFB __________________ Chiefs game films
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10-29-2023, 07:58 PM	#39
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $274734	I think some of it is Reid saves the good shit for big games/playoffs. Some of it is that our receivers are fire roasted rhinoceros assholes. Some of it is I don't see the creativity that I've seen in prior years. Some of it might be the aforementioned saving thing. I still see some good concepts in terms of flooding zones, a nice little Skyy Moore pick play (I think that may have been illegal), and a decent little Mecole backfield play that the Cheating **ing Donko Bitch**s sniffed out. Very little motion, very few tendency breakers, and maybe most shockingly, very little respect for the downfield game - that's why it looked like the Smith years.
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10-29-2023, 08:00 PM	#41
493rd GDT Contributor Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: * Casino cash: $910400	Which of our WRs would start on another team? Play calling is not the problem, it’s the personnel. We have guys that can’t consistently get open, don’t run crisp routes, consistently drop passes, and some that don’t contribute at all to anything. What’s that leave? Travis Kelce and dudes outta the backfield. Veach rolled the dice thinking Toney and Moore would take the next step this year. It hasn’t happened and both are just bad. The only positive is that it’s gotten so bad that it must be addressed next season. This will end up costing the Chiefs in the end.
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10-29-2023, 08:01 PM	#42
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-27500	Reid has always liked a horizontal passing game. People blamed the offense on Alex Smith but that was always a two way street. He fit what Reid likes to do. Always has a bunch of quick shifty WRs to spread things out horizontally to get guys in space. They do go downfield sometimes but that's never going to be the focus of the offense.
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10-29-2023, 08:06 PM	#43
CatinKS Starter Join Date: Dec 2020 Casino cash: $970400	PM stayed in the pocket longer than in previous games. Once he was out in the open seem like the ol' Pat. Maybe the Flu and high altitude drained him so he didn't scramble as much. I blame the coaches more than the players as the game plan didn't seem as creative, like a team that had just beat this team 2 weeks ago and was ok, lets start this up in the second half. Or the Broncs D was on Meth and just played out of thier minds.
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10-29-2023, 08:10 PM	#44
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $3741115	I’ve lost track of how many times we’ve run a one man route on 3rd down.
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