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Baseball Integrates Leaderboards
Major League Baseball officially updated its statistics leaderboard yesterday to include 2,300 qualifying men who played in the Negro Leagues between 1920 and 1948. The integration incorporates findings from a three-year research process initiated after MLB first recognized the Negro Leagues as major leagues in December 2020. The update reshapes long-standing leaderboards, with legendary power hitter and Hall of Fame catcher Josh Gibson now recognized as the all-time leader in career batting average with a .372 mark, passing prior leader, Ty Cobb. Lifetime numbers from MLB players reflecting their time in the Negro Leagues were also recognized, including those of Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays, and Satchel Paige. See a rundown of leaderboard changes here. https://www.mlb.com/news/stats-leade...ro-leagues-mlb Tacit bans in the major leagues forced Black players to create their own leagues in the first half of the 20th century. Jackie Robinson broke the sport's racial barrier when he made his debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947 |
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Yeah I'm not a fan of messing around with records of different era. But ty Cobb also had some small advantage playing in a league that excluded negro league pitchers. He'd still rake but it could be the difference of a few points batting average which is what's happening here
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Forget 300 career wins. Even 200 wins for an MLB pitcher might be a thing of the past https://apnews.com/article/baseball-...13ecc316f3c9cd |
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So if you are going to criticize white players for facing lesser talent, then the Negro Leagues were facing even a smaller talent pool.
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https://www.mlb.com/news/faq-negro-l...-league-record
They only have 75% of the data. "However, because of the inconsistencies of Negro Leagues team schedules (or the available data), the minimum qualifier for each league and season is based upon the average number of games played by each team, multiplied by 3.1 plate appearances for hitters and one inning for pitchers. Those values are subject to change as more data is discovered. As for career leaderboards, the current standard for career MLB leaders is 5,000 at-bats and 2,000 innings pitched, which roughly equates to 10 full qualifying seasons (5,020 at-bats and 1,620 innings). Therefore, for Negro Leagues players, this standard has been set at 1,800 at-bats and 600 innings -- roughly the equivalent of 10 seasons’ worth of 60-game seasons."
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The reason they and the Negro Leagues were not included in 1969 is because the data wasn't readily available. Even now only 75% of the Negro Leagues data has been found.
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It was a damn good league whose stars haven't been inducted. 19th century baseball has been underappreciated in historical narratives but groundbreaking research has been ongoing. The Players League is a fascinating story.
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Take for example John Henry "Pop" Lloyd. Babe Ruth apparently called him the greatest player he ever saw. But nobody knows for sure because Monte Irvin revealed that info in a radio interview he heard. That's what makes the Negro Leagues so fascinating is there is a mythology, folklore surrounding these players and that's OK. That's not necessarily a bad thing. |
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From a statistical point of view I think this is a really dumb move, but MLB records are so meaningless anymore I guess who really cares. The game changed so much from era to era there's really no point in even discussing or acknowledging many of the records we all admired as a kid growing up. They're near meaningless without a contemporary group qualifier defining the environment and actual opponents involved.
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