The Bills take the AFC this seasom

[JustDíqLix]

Are you ready for some football!?

I know I am!

With that, I am here to make a proclamation!

The mighty Bills from Buffalo will take the AFC this year.

For two decades I watched people say the Patriots window was closed, that their time was dwindling, that it was all over… seemingly every time those predictions happened, the Patriots went and won another Super Bowl.

A lot of doom talk simply because we lost to the Bengals in the playoffs. Let us not forget that the Bills watched their brother DIE on the field just a few weeks prior. Their heart was simply not in it. If it had been, the Bills would have captured the AFC last year.

The Bills have won 2 of their last 3 in Arrowhead and they’re ready to make it 3 of the last 4.

Let’s go mighty Buffalo Bills! 🦬 🦬 🦬

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Remember these are normally teams Buffalo runs up the score on...Remember them bragging about "point differential"?

[Peter Gibbons]

Alex Smith had many apologists. Is it really surprising that Josh has them too?

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons

Alex Smith had many apologists. Is it really surprising that Josh has them too?

Trying to revise history to anoint a QB with no accomplishments above the level of the possible future GOAT goes beyond being an apologist.

They're fixated on his physical traits while forgetting that the mental aspect is equally important. And he's way behind there.

Cracks me up that they blame every Bills failure on the supporting cast when Allen is one of the most mistake-prone QBs in recent history.

[Hammock Parties]

Did Miami's defense get better? If not they lose, again.

Beta Tagovagiola

I'd be so ****ing pissed off if we had Tyreek Hill and were wasting him on that guy. Alex Smith would be better.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by KingDiqLix

Correction: The Chiefs did more than the Bills.

Last time I checked Allen drove the field and then watched as his kicker ****ed another playoffs.

There hasn’t been a time when Allen was the one leaving the field in the playoffs having thrown the game losing INT or whatever. It’s ALWAYS his teammates.

Correction: The Bills drove the field.

Just trying to keep your logic consistent.

Allen failed to get them into the endzone and was forced to depend on a shitty kicker in a high pressure situation. You can't tell me that anyone in that stadium had faith in that kick. Hard to say Allen did his job on that drive. Not to mention he even tried to give the game away with a fumble and was damn lucky it was recovered, thanks to a Chiefs blunder.

Also, remember when he led his team to 10 points at home the year before, and got blown out? Remember when he threw 3 INTs in 2 playoff games in '22? Or when he completed just 52% of his passes in 2019?

Mahomes has rarely been supported by a good running attack, rarely been supported by good defense, and his offensive supporting cast has made numerous mistakes in playoff games. Turnovers, drops, etc.

This narrative is so desperate and laughable.

[Rainbarrel]

Originally Posted by KingDiqLix

Yes, as you noticed, there are not-insignificant number of people who feel this way.

Personally, I would not use the word “better” - I would use equal.

If Allen was drafted by KC, he has all the rings that Mahomes has. Thats not to say that Mahomes isn’t great - he is. But he was drafted into the BEST possible situation imaginable:

Mahomes was drafted to a team with:

1) A hall-of-fame offensive coach
2) A team with a hall-of-fame pass catching tight end
3) A team with a hall-of-fame wide receiver talent
4) A team that had made 5 of the last 6 playoffs
5) A team that had PLAYOFF wins with Alex freaking Smith

He was drafted to a DREAM scenario.

Allen on the other hand was drafted to a team with:

1) A rookie defensive head coach
2) A team with zero hall-of-famers
3) A team whose best receiver was Kelvin Benjamin
4) A team who missed 18 of the previous 19 playoffs

Allen was drafted into one of the absolute WORST situations.

If Allen & Mahomes switched draft places, Allen would have the rings and Mahomes would be seen as the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Just the way it is.

So yeah, Mahomes is no better than Allen. They’re equals, but Mahomes was lucky enough to be drafted into an elite situation.

I guess drool will work as well as spit

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Did Miami's defense get better? If not they lose, again.

Beta Tagovagiola

I'd be so ****ing pissed off if we had Tyreek Hill and were wasting him on that guy. Alex Smith would be better.

Miami's pretty talented across the board, and the Bills tend to shit the bed on the road. Plus, this is probably the weakest Bills roster in several years.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Originally Posted by KingDiqLix

Mahomes was drafted to a team with:

1) A hall-of-fame offensive coach
2) A team with a hall-of-fame pass catching tight end
3) A team with a hall-of-fame wide receiver talent
4) A team that had made 5 of the last 6 playoffs
5) A team that had PLAYOFF wins with Alex freaking Smith

He was drafted to a DREAM scenario.

In the year 2017, the year Mahomes was drafted, the Chiefs would go one-and-done in the playoffs to the Marcus Mariota-lead Titans in the WC Round. This is the team Mahomes was drafted to.

1) A well-respected coach who couldn't win the big one and was a renowned playoff choke artist.
2) One of the best Tight Ends in the game, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
3) Also one of the best WR's in the league, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
4) Correct, but our playoff record in that time was 1-4. We were the doormat of the NFL for the actual playoff contenders. We were pretenders.
5) ONE (1) playoff win against Brain Hoyer.

Mahomes was drafted to what was considered a good, but not great team. Once he became the starting QB, everything changed.

1) Andy went from a playoff choke artist to the best Head Coach in the league destined for the HOF
2) Kelce's playoff heroics with Mahomes quickly had fans considering him next to Gronk as one of the GOAT Tight Ends.
3) Same with Tyreek. Mahomes exploited his speed and ability to stretch defenses like no other. Tyreek went from one of the best WR's in the game to one of the most dangerous offensive threats of all time.
4) We went from regularly being one-and-done losers in the playoffs to only ever going to Super Bowls and Championship Games w/ Mahomes.
5) The Chiefs playoff record from 2013-2017 was 1-4. The Chiefs playoff once Mahomes became starting QB is 15-3.

Those numbers don't make themselves up. Mahomes was the one that changed everything.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

In the year 2017, the year Mahomes was drafted, the Chiefs would go one-and-done in the playoffs to the Marcus Mariota-lead Titans in the WC Round. This is the team Mahomes was drafted to.

1) A well-respected coach who couldn't win the big one and was a renowned playoff choke artist.
2) One of the best Tight Ends in the game, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
3) Also one of the best WR's in the league, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
4) Correct, but our playoff record in that time was 1-4. We were the doormat of the NFL for the actual playoff contenders. We were pretenders.
5) ONE (1) playoff win against Brain Hoyer.

Mahomes was drafted to what was considered a good, but not great team. Once he became the starting QB, everything changed.

1) Andy went from a playoff choke artist to the best Head Coach in the league destined for the HOF
2) Kelce's playoff heroics with Mahomes quickly had fans considering him next to Gronk as one of the GOAT Tight Ends.
3) Same with Tyreek. Mahomes exploited his speed and ability to stretch defenses like no other. Tyreek went from one of the best WR's in the game to one of the most dangerous offensive threats of all time.
4) We went from regularly being one-and-done losers in the playoffs to only ever going to Super Bowls and Championship Games w/ Mahomes.
5) The Chiefs playoff record from 2013-2017 was 1-4. The Chiefs playoff once Mahomes became starting QB is 15-3.

Those numbers don't make themselves up. Mahomes was the one that changed everything.

Love how he ignores that the Bills reached the playoffs the year before Allen arrived....with Tyrod Taylor under center.

Doesn't quite jive with "one of the absolute worst situations."

And McDermott is a very solid coach, despite making a few questionable decisions in the playoffs. The extent to which they throw him under the bus to prop up Allen is kind of sick.

[CasselGotPeedOn]

Originally Posted by KingDiqLix

Yes, as you noticed, there are not-insignificant number of people who feel this way.

Personally, I would not use the word “better” - I would use equal.

If Allen was drafted by KC, he has all the rings that Mahomes has. Thats not to say that Mahomes isn’t great - he is. But he was drafted into the BEST possible situation imaginable:

Mahomes was drafted to a team with:

1) A hall-of-fame offensive coach
2) A team with a hall-of-fame pass catching tight end
3) A team with a hall-of-fame wide receiver talent
4) A team that had made 5 of the last 6 playoffs
5) A team that had PLAYOFF wins with Alex freaking Smith

He was drafted to a DREAM scenario.

Allen on the other hand was drafted to a team with:

1) A rookie defensive head coach
2) A team with zero hall-of-famers
3) A team whose best receiver was Kelvin Benjamin
4) A team who missed 18 of the previous 19 playoffs

Allen was drafted into one of the absolute WORST situations.

If Allen & Mahomes switched draft places, Allen would have the rings and Mahomes would be seen as the 2nd best QB in the NFL. Just the way it is.

So yeah, Mahomes is no better than Allen. They’re equals, but Mahomes was lucky enough to be drafted into an elite situation.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. But Joshy isn't coming back from 24-0 in the playoffs .

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by penchief

There is no debate. Bills fans thinks Allen is better because he trucks linebackers. It’s true that Allen is bigger and physically more gifted. But Mahomes is superior in every other way.

As a passer, Mahomes is more accurate and has made all kinds of throws in crazy circumstances that we have yet to see Allen make.

Even as a runner, Mahomes is craftier and more elusive. But he’s also more strategic.

As a quarterback, Mahomes reads defenses better, sees the field better, and moves around in the pocket better.

As a field general, he has consistently shown more moxie when the game is on the line than any other QB in the history of the game. He inspires his teammates to be better. He is a proven champion.

I like your QB a lot. He might be number two. But he isn’t close to Mahomes.

Great post.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

In the year 2017, the year Mahomes was drafted, the Chiefs would go one-and-done in the playoffs to the Marcus Mariota-lead Titans in the WC Round. This is the team Mahomes was drafted to.

1) A well-respected coach who couldn't win the big one and was a renowned playoff choke artist.
2) One of the best Tight Ends in the game, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
3) Also one of the best WR's in the league, but definitely not Hall-of-Fame bound yet.
4) Correct, but our playoff record in that time was 1-4. We were the doormat of the NFL for the actual playoff contenders. We were pretenders.
5) ONE (1) playoff win against Brain Hoyer.

Mahomes was drafted to what was considered a good, but not great team. Once he became the starting QB, everything changed.

1) Andy went from a playoff choke artist to the best Head Coach in the league destined for the HOF
2) Kelce's playoff heroics with Mahomes quickly had fans considering him next to Gronk as one of the GOAT Tight Ends.
3) Same with Tyreek. Mahomes exploited his speed and ability to stretch defenses like no other. Tyreek went from one of the best WR's in the game to one of the most dangerous offensive threats of all time.
4) We went from regularly being one-and-done losers in the playoffs to only ever going to Super Bowls and Championship Games w/ Mahomes.
5) The Chiefs playoff record from 2013-2017 was 1-4. The Chiefs playoff once Mahomes became starting QB is 15-3.

Those numbers don't make themselves up. Mahomes was the one that changed everything.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by KingDiqLix

I’ll give you McDuffie. Because Elam is a complete and total bust.

But y’all aren’t ready for the Mahomes conversation yet. The rose colored glasses are tinted too strongly.

quality

Anytime you want to have the conversation, we can put down the three Lombardi trophies from the last five seasons and have it. I guess?


*edit - I see others have educated you, and there never really was a conversation to begin with

[RunKC]

This conversation happens every era.

“If John Elway was on those 49er teams they win at least 5 rings”

“If Jim Kelly or Dan Marino was on those Cowboys 90’s teams he’d win 3 rings minimum”

“If Peyton Manning was the QB for the Patriots instead of Tom they’d have won as many or more rings than Tom Brady”

I agree that the Bills are holding Josh Allen back with bad coaching and bad drafts but that’s the reality.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This conversation happens every era.

“If John Elway was on those 49er teams they win at least 5 rings”

“If Jim Kelly or Dan Marino was on those Cowboys 90’s teams he’d win 3 rings minimum”

“If Peyton Manning was the QB for the Patriots instead of Tom they’d have won as many or more rings than Tom Brady”

I agree that the Bills are holding Josh Allen back with bad coaching and bad drafts but that’s the reality.

I refuse to consider Marino or Kelly in the conversation for top 10 of all time.

If you can't win a championship, you're a lesser player. If we've learned NOTHING over the last 2 years, we should've learned that. Mahomes willed this team to those titles.

Maybe Allen wins one of 'em...but I kinda don't think he does. Mahomes had to be so precise and so timely in his efforts that I think it gets overlooked just how incredible he was in those games.

That Eagles game may be the best Super Bowl ever played in terms of pure quality of play by both sides. And Mahomes came out on top. Marino wouldn't have. Kelly wouldn't have.

Allen, IMO, wouldn't have.

Winning a ring doesn't put you in the conversation with the all time greats {cough}Aikman{coughcough} but not winning one keeps you out of it.

Mahomes would've won a championship in Buffalo by now. Because he's that !@#$ing good.