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Old 03-09-2024, 09:42 PM  
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:49 PM   #421
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Absolutely. Once the Raiders gave Jones his $32 million a year, the market would have been set and Wilkins would have still gotten around what he did, so if we went after him it would been a horse apiece money wise.

I was a little worried that Veach caved and paid so much, but as the chips keep falling it's pretty clear why he did it. There was literally no other choice.
There are worse problems to deal with compared to overpaying your Hall of Fame DT to be a Chief for life.

And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:53 PM   #422
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Market rate. Crazy? Probably not as crazy as the $20MM+ some of the offensive guards are getting.

Wilkins with Crosby and Koonce is a pretty phenomenal DL. If Wilson continues his improvement playing inside, that's a dominant DL.
Yeah...but you still don't have an offense or a QB that matters....

Defense can win....unless you are playing the future GOAT and KC's version of the Grim Reaper.
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Old 03-11-2024, 01:54 PM   #423
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And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.
Oh yeah, once I saw what the Raiders paid Wilkins, and it became quite apparent what would have occurred had Veach continued to play hardball, any doubt that I had about what they gave him was instantly gone.
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Old 03-11-2024, 03:51 PM   #424
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It's like RAS.

The component parts of RAS are interesting. The 'score' that it creates is just absolutely asinine.
RAS is just an index, it's not meant to be predictive of success. All it tells you is approximately how a player's measured size and athleticism compares to other players at their position. The scores lack context, sure, but that's the nature of what it is. I don't think it's fair to compare it to PFF, which ultimately boils down to some anonymous dipshit's subjective grading of game tape.
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There are worse problems to deal with compared to overpaying your Hall of Fame DT to be a Chief for life.

And yeah, the thought of having to line up AGAINST Chris Jones in a Raider or Texans uniform is soooooo much worse than the alternative of just paying him.
Looking at some of the Day 1 contract being handed out, Jones is already looking like a steal.
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Old 03-11-2024, 04:33 PM   #426
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If Mahomes passes Brady, then I hope Jones passes Charles Haley for most by a non-QB.
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Not many players have had a legit shot at a threepeat in the NFL.
a 3peat will outlive us all. A player in that run, it oshould be a good pull to get them here.
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Market rate. Crazy? Probably not as crazy as the $20MM+ some of the offensive guards are getting.
Crazy in comparison to what people on this forum were hoping in the event that Chris Jones left the Chiefs. They were hoping Wilkins could be signed for $23-24M per year...but he comes in much closer to $30M per year. KC is better off just keeping Chris Jones at the high price.
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Yep, Veach doesn’t sign Jones. He was going to be a Raider.
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Yep, Veach doesn’t sign Jones. He was going to be a Raider.
I honestly think Clark stepping in probably had a lot to do with him catching wind that the Raiders were ready to pounce on CJ. There was no way Clark was going to let one of his newly created legends end up there the year after back to back SB wins.

Have to hand it to the Raiders, they were ready to rock the NFL world. Glad we didn’t let them. It was definitely the right call. The momentum shift of that occurring would have been pretty earth shattering.
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Re: Jones and aging through his deal…

It has come to my attention that the decline of Aaron Donald has been greatly exaggerated.

Per ESPN’s pass rush win rate stats, Donald at age 32 last year led the DT position in pass rush wins and was tied for first with Jones in pass rush win rate %: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-players-teams

The Rams’ down year in 2022 with Donald’s ankle injury put a cloud over his perception, but he was still very clearly a top-2 DT in the league throughout his age 32 season.

Again, just to say, the only thing that’s gonna be able to keep Chris from maintaining his elite level of play through at least the first three years of the contract would be injury. These freaks of nature dominate for awhile and I won’t be surprised if Donald has another tremendous year now that the Rams are good again.
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It's insane to me that people shit on bringing him back. Sometimes this place gets too wonky. He again showed he's the best DT in the league and it's not even close
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