Who Would Win in a Fight Between Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson?

[rico]

Alright Planeteers, I've been arguing on message boards with people about this off and on for a couple years now and I want to get CP's input on it. The question is this: Who would win in a fight between Bruce Lee and Mike Tyson in his prime? Let's hear it!

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

This.

What was Bruce anyway, like 140lbs tops?

Even if Mike didn't land the jaw, his body blows would be devastating as well on that small frame. Tough to fight when you cant breathe.

The only way I see him winning is if he stays completely out of range, and finishes the fight without ever being hit.

I just don't see how Bruce Lee could absorb any of Tyson's attacks.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Agreed for the most part.
But if iron Mike laid one on Bruce's jaw first down he goes.

Not sure where all the Lee couldnt take a punch stuff is coming from- I guess all the street fighters he fought growing up didn't hit hard? Or maybe he wasn't hit hard in training by Ip Man? Maybe Tyson can hit harder than all the champions Lee challanged from different backgrounds when he opened his school in Seattle but I doubt it. They sent the best in the world after him and he took on all challengers.

People are comparing the Founder of Jeet Kune Do to a boxer who was brought up agaisnt lessor competition, was lazy in his training, a convicted rapist and was disgraced in the ring when he bite Evander's ear off when he was being outclassed by a much better fighter.

Jeet Kune Do (also "Jeet Kun Do", or simply "JKD") is an eclectic/hybrid system and philosophy of life founded by martial artist Bruce Lee[2] with direct, non-classical, and straightforward movements. Due to the way his style works, Jeet Kune Do practitioners believe in minimal movement with maximum effect and extreme speed. The system works on the use of different 'tools' for different situations. These situations are broken down into ranges (kicking, punching, trapping and grappling), with techniques flowing smoothly between them. It is referred to as a "style without style" or "the art of fighting without fighting" as said by Lee himself. Unlike more traditional martial arts, Jeet Kune Do is not fixed or patterned, and is a philosophy with guiding thoughts. It was named for the concept of interception, or attacking your opponent while he is about to attack. However, the name Jeet Kune Do was often said by Lee to be just a name. He himself often referred to it as "The art of expressing the human body" in his writings and in interviews. Through his studies Lee came to believe that styles had become too rigid, and unrealistic. He called martial art competitions of the day "Dry land swimming". He believed that combat was spontaneous, and that a martial artist cannot predict it, only react to it, and that a good martial artist should "Be like water" and move fluidly without hesitation.

In 2004, the Bruce Lee Foundation decided to use the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (振藩截拳道) to refer to the martial arts system that Lee founded. "Jun Fan" was Lee's Chinese given name.

Lee's philosophy[edit]

Jeet Kune Do (JKD) is the name Lee gave to his combat system and philosophy. Originally, when Lee began researching various fighting styles, he gave his martial art his own name of Jun Fan Gung Fu. However not wanting to create another style that would share the limitations that all styles have, he instead described the process that he used to create it:


I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.

— Bruce Lee[3]

JKD as it survives today — if one wants to view it "refined" as a product, not a process — is what was left at the time of Lee's death. It is the result of the lifelong martial arts development process Lee went through. Lee stated that his concept is not an "adding to" of more and more things on top of each other to form a system, but rather, a winnowing out. The metaphor Lee borrowed from Chan Buddhism was of constantly filling a cup with water, and then emptying it, used for describing Lee's philosophy of "casting off what is useless". He used the sculptor's mentality of beginning with a lump of clay and hacking away at the "unessentials"; the end result was what he considered to be the bare combat essentials, or JKD. The dominant or strongest hand should be in the lead because it would perform a greater percentage of the work. Lee minimised the use of other stances except when circumstances warranted such actions. Although the On-Guard position is a good overall stance, it is by no means the only one. He acknowledged that there were times when other positions should be utilised.

Lee felt the dynamic property of JKD was what enabled its practitioners to adapt to the constant changes and fluctuations of live combat. He believed that these decisions should be done within the context of "real combat" and/or "all out sparring" and that it was only in this environment that a person could actually deem a technique worthy of adoption.

Lee did not stress the memorisation of solo training forms or "Kata", as most traditional styles do in their beginning-level training. He often compared doing forms without an opponent, to attempting to learn to swim on dry land. Lee believed that real combat was alive and dynamic. Circumstances in a fight change from millisecond to millisecond .Thus, pre-arranged patterns and techniques are not adequate in dealing with such a changing situation. As an antidote to this thinking, Lee once wrote an epitaph which read: 'In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by the classical mess.' The "classical mess" in this instance was what Lee thought of classical martial arts.

Principles[edit]

The following are principles that Lee incorporated into his Jeet Kune Do.[4] Lee felt these were universal combat truths that were self-evident, and would lead to combat success if followed. Familiarity with each of the "Four ranges of combat", in particular, is thought to be instrumental in becoming a "total" martial artist.

JKD teaches that the best defence is a strong offence, hence the principle of an "intercepting fist". For a person to attack another hand-to-hand, the attacker must approach the target. This provides an opportunity for the attacked person to "intercept" the attacking movement. The principle of interception may be applied to more than intercepting physical attacks. Non-verbal cues (subtle movements that an opponent may be unaware of) may be perceived or "intercepted", and thus be used to one's advantage.

The "Five ways of attack", categories which help JKD practitioners organise their fighting repertoire, comprise the offensive teachings of JKD. The concepts of "Stop hits & stop kicks", and "Simultaneous parrying & punching", borrowed from épée fencing's and Wing Chun's concepts of single fluid motions which attack while defending, comprise the defensive teachings of JKD. These concepts were modified for unarmed combat and implemented into the JKD framework by Lee, to complement the principle of interception.

Straight Lead[edit]

Lee felt that the straight lead was the most integral part of Jeet Kune Do punching, "The leading straight punch is the backbone of all punching in Jeet Kune Do".[5] The straight lead is not a power strike but a strike built for speed. The straight lead should always be held loosely with a slight motion, this adds to its speed and makes it harder to see and block. The strike is not only the fastest punch in JKD, but also the most accurate. The speed is attributed to the fact that the fist is held out slightly making it closer to the target and its accuracy is gained from the punch being thrown straight forward from your centerline. The straight lead should be held and thrown loosely and easily tightening up only upon impact adding a snap to your punch. The straight lead punch can be thrown from multiple angles and levels.[6] 1. High straight lead 2. Medium straight lead (to body) 3. Low straight lead 4. Slanting right 5. Slanting left 6. Double straight lead "Your leads hand should be like greased lightning and must never be held rigidly or motionless. Keep it slightly moving (without exaggeration) in a threatening manner, as it not only keeps your opponent on edge, but can also be delivered faster from motion than from immobility. Like a cobra, your strike should be felt before it is seen".[5]

Non-Cellphone Punch[edit]

Lee felt explosive attacks with no telegraphing signs of intention were best. He displayed that the attacks should catch the opponent off guard, throwing them off balance, leaving the opponent unable to defend against further attacks. "The concept behind this is that when you initiate your punch without any forewarning, such as tensing your shoulders or moving your foot or body, the opponent will not have enough time to react".[7] The key is that you must keep your body and arms loose, weaving your arms slightly only becoming tense upon impact. Lee wanted no wind up movements or "get ready poses" before any of your strikes were thrown. Lee explained that any twitches or slight movements before striking should be avoided as they will give the opponent signs or hints as to what you are planning and then they will be able to strike you first while you are preparing an attack. Consequently, non-telegraphic movement is an essential part of Jeet Kune Do philosophy.[8]

"Be like water"[edit]

Lee emphasized that every situation, in fighting or in everyday life, is varied. To obtain victory, therefore, it is essential not to be rigid, but to be fluid and able to adapt to any situation. He compared it to being like water, "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. That water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend".[9] Lee’s theory behind this is rather simple, you must be able to function in any scenario you are thrown into and you should react accordingly. You should know when to speed up or slow down, when to expand and when to contract, when to remain flowing and when to crash. It is the awareness that both life and fighting can be shapeless and ever changing that allows one to be able to adapt to those changes instantaneously and bring forth the appropriate solution. Lee didn’t believe in "styles" and felt that everyone and every situation is different, not everyone fits into a mould, we must remain flexible in order obtain new knowledge and victory in both life and combat. We must never become stagnant in the mind or method always evolving and moving towards improving ourselves.[10]

Economy of motion [edit]

Jeet Kune Do seeks to waste no time or movement, teaching that the simplest things work best as in Wing Chun. Economy of motion is the principle by which JKD practitioners achieve:
Efficiency: An attack which reaches its target in the least amount of time, with maximum force.
Directness: Doing what comes naturally in a disciplined way.
Simplicity: Thinking in an uncomplicated manner; without ornamentation.

This is meant to help a practitioner conserve both energy and time; two crucial components in a physical confrontation. Maximized force seeks to end the battle quickly due to the amount of damage inflicted upon the opponent. Rapidity aims to reach the target before the opponent can react, which is half-beat faster timing, learned in Wing Chun and Western boxing.[11] Learned techniques are utilised in JKD to apply these principles to a variety of situations.

Stop hits and stop kicks[edit]

"When the distance is wide, the attacking opponent requires some sort of preparation. Therefore, attack him on his preparation of attack." "To reach me, you must move to me. Your attack offers me an opportunity to intercept you." This means intercepting an opponent's attack with an attack of your own instead of a simple block. It is for this concept Jeet Kune Do is named. JKD practitioners believe that this is the most difficult defensive skill to develop. This strategy is a feature of some traditional Chinese martial arts as wing chun, as well as an essential component of European épée fencing. Stop hits & kicks utilise the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element.

Simultaneous parrying and punching[edit]

When confronting an incoming attack, the attack is parried or deflected and a counterattack is delivered at the same time. Not as advanced as a stop hit but more effective than blocking and counterattacking in sequence. This is practised by some Chinese martial arts as wing chun etc., it is also known in Krav Maga as "bursting". Simultaneous parrying & punching utilises the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element and maximising the "energy" element. Efficiency is gained by utilising a parry rather than a block. By definition a "block" stops an attack whereas a parry merely re-directs an attack. Redirection has two advantages: 1)It requires less energy to execute; 2) It utilises the opponents energy against them by creating an imbalance. Efficiency is gained in that the opponent has less time to react to an incoming attack, since they are still nullifying the original attack.

Low kicks[edit]

JKD practitioners believe they should target their kicks to their opponent's shins, knees, thighs, and midsection like in wing chun.[12] These targets are the closest to the foot, provide more stability and are more difficult to defend against. Maintaining low kicks utilises the principle of economy of motion by reducing the distance a kick must travel thus minimising the "time" element. However, as with all other JKD principles nothing is "written in stone". If a target of opportunity presents itself, even a target above the waist, one could take advantage of the situation without feeling hampered by this principle.

Four ranges of combat[edit]
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling

Jeet Kune Do students train in each of the aforementioned ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial arts systems specialise in training at one or two ranges. Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorised as short or close, medium, and long range.[13] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

Five ways of attack[edit]

The Original Five Ways of Attack Are:
1.Single Direct Attack (SDA)
2.Attack By Combination (ABC)
3.Progressive Indirect Attack (PIA)
4.(Hand) Immobilization Attack (HIA)
5.Attack by Drawing (ABD)

SDA has been expanded to include:
. Simple Angle attack (S.A.A): The simple angle attack is the use of any “Simple Attack”, an attack that has direct line of fire that is exploited by faking or beating an opponent to the punch, from an unexpected angle. The S.A.A can be set up by either feinting or readjusting the distance with footwork.

HIA has been expanded to also encompass foot immobilisation techniques and is sometimes just referred to as IA. Immobilization Attack (I.A): The immobilisation attack is the effective use of “Trapping”. Trapping is a method of attack that results in the holding down of an opponent’s hand or leg providing a safe route of attack. The trapping prevents the opponent from moving the body parts needed for defence, leaving them “trapped” and their body or face open for multiple strikes.
. Progressive Indirect Attack (P.I.A): The progressive indirect attack is similar to a “simple attack” except there is not a committed fake or feint. The P.I.A is an uncommitted thrust motion that forces your opponent to move in defence as you exploit the predetermined open area.
. Attack by Combination (A.B.C) Attack by combination is a series of punches and or kicks that follows a particular sequence to create openings or “Setups” in your opponent’s defence. The “setup” is created by the series of punches and or kicks manoeuvring the opponent into a position to receive a knockout blow.
. Attack by Drawing (A.B.D) The attack by draw method is executed when you are able to make your opponent believe there is an opening or weak spot in your defence. When your opponent tries to attack this area he creates his own opening or weak point and you attack that area, completely catching them off guard.[8]

Centerline[edit]





The Wing Chun centerline.




Punching from the Wing Chun centerline.




The centerline can be expressed as the height of a triangle.




An animation of mechanical linkage to the shoulders of the triangle illustrates the importance of guarding the centerline.
The centerline is an imaginary line drawn vertically along the center of a standing human body, and refers to the space directly in front of that body. If we draw an isosceles triangle on the floor, for which our body forms the base, and our arms form the equal legs of the triangle, then h (height of the triangle) is that same centerline. The Wing Chun concept is to exploit, control and dominate an opponent's centerline. All attacks, defences, and footwork are designed to guard your own centerline while entering your opponent's centerline space. Lee incorporated this theory into JKD from his sifu Yip Man's Wing Chun.

The three guidelines for centerline are:
The one who controls the centerline will control the fight.
Protect and maintain your own centerline while you control and exploit your opponent's.
Control the centerline by occupying it.

This notion is closely related to maintaining control of the center squares in the strategic game chess. The concept is obviously present in xiangqi (Chinese chess), where an "X" is drawn on the game board, in front of both players' general and advisors.

Combat realism[edit]

One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism". He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate JKD from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique" as Lee would put it. Lee claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport" oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems". Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled its practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. Lee felt that because these systems favoured a "sports" approach they incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations. He felt that this approach to martial arts became a "game of tag" which would lead to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to disastrous consequences in real world situations. Another aspect of realistic martial arts training fundamental to JKD is what Lee referred to as "aliveness". This is the concept of training techniques with an unwilling assistant who offers resistance. Lee made a reference to this concept in his famous quote "Boards don't hit back!"[14] Because of this perspective of realism and aliveness, Lee utilised safety gear from various other contact sports to allow him to spar with opponents "full out". This approach to training allowed practitioners to come as close as possible to real combat situations with a high degree of safety.

Absorbing what is useful, discard what is useless[edit]

This is the idea that a martial artist can only learn techniques in their proper context, through a holistic approach. Styles provide more than just techniques: They offer training methods, theories, and mental attitudes. Learning these factors allows a student to experience a system in what Lee called its "totality". Only through learning a system completely will an artist be able to, "absorb what is useful," and discard the remainder. Real combat training situations allow the student to learn what works, and what doesn't. The critical point of this principle is that the choice of what to keep is based on personal experimentation with various opponents over time. It is not based on how a technique may look or feel, or how precisely the artist can mimic tradition. In the final analysis, if the technique is not beneficial in combat, it is discarded. Lee believed that only the individual could come to understand what worked; based on critical self-analysis, and by, "honestly expressing oneself, without lying to oneself."

Branches[edit]

Although Lee officially closed his martial arts schools two years before his death, he allowed his curriculum to be taught privately. Since his death, Jeet Kune Do is argued to have split into different groups. Allegedly they are:
The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch, whose proponents include Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, Jerry Poteet, and Ted Wong; these groups teach what was developed and taught by Lee, and encourage the student to further develop his or her self and abilities through those teachings. The inherent training principles of this branch are shaped by the concepts of what was "originally taught", by Lee, which does include concepts that are often misused and misunderstood. Some argue these theories are merely viewed in different contexts by the two branches.
The JKD Concepts branch, whose proponents include Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Larry Hartsell; these groups strive to continue the philosophy of individual self-expression through re-interpretation of combat systems through the lens of Jeet Kune Do, under the concept that it was never meant to be a static art but rather an ongoing evolution, and have incorporated elements from many other martial arts into the main fold of its teachings (most notably, grappling and Kali / Escrima material) based on the individual's personal preferences and physical attributes. The entire "system" can be described through a simple diagram, and the concepts can then be applied to a variety of contexts in a "universal" way.

As far as is known, Lee himself authorised only one person to teach Jeet Kune Do: Daniel Inosanto, who achieved 3rd rank in JKD. Ted Wong, Lee's last student, achieved 2nd rank in Jeet Kune Do while training privately with Lee. After this, Lee did away with rankings in his teachings, so Ted was never "ranked" beyond the 2nd. Dan Inosanto, however, fully certified Ted Wong to teach after Lee's death.

Two other people were certified to teach by Lee as well. Taky Kimura and James Yimm Lee were certified to teach Jun Fan Gung Fu (the precursor to JKD), but not Jeet Kune Do itself.

There are essentially two "types" or viewpoints of Jeet Kune Do:
1.JKD framework This type of JKD provides the guiding principles. Lee experimented with many styles and techniques to reach these conclusions. To Lee these principles were truisms. The JKD framework is not bound or confined by any styles or systems. This type of JKD is a process.
2.JKD Personal Systems This type of JKD utilises the JKD framework along with any techniques from any other style or system to construct a "personal system". This approach utilises a "building blocks" manner in which to construct a personalised system that is especially tailored to an individual. Lee believed that only an individual could determine for themselves what the usefulness of any technique should be. This type of JKD is thus a product, but left to personal interpretation and therefore drifts further from that Lee actually developed and employed.

Lee believed that this freedom of adoption was a distinguishing property from traditional martial arts.

There are many who confuse the JKD Framework with a JKD Personal System (IE. Lee's personal JKD) thinking them to be one and the same. The system that Lee personally expressed was his own personal JKD; tailored for himself. Before he could do this, however, he needed to first develop the "JKD Framework" process. Many of the systems that Lee studied were not to develop his "Personal JKD" but rather was used to gather the "principles" for incorporation in the JKD Framework approach. The uniqueness of JKD to Lee is that it was a "process" not a "product" and thus not a "style" but a system, concept, or approach. Traditional martial arts styles are essentially a product that is given to a student with little provision for change. These traditional styles are usually fixed and not tailored for individuals. Lee said there were inherent problems with this approach and established a "process" based system rather than a fixed style which a student could then utilise to make a "tailored" or "personal" product of their own. To use an analogy; traditional martial arts give students fish to eat (a product). Lee believed that a martial art should just teach the student to fish (a process) and gain the food directly.

The two branches of JKD differ in what should be incorporated or offered within the "JKD Framework". The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch believes that the original principles before Lee died are all that is needed for the construction of personalised systems. The JKD Concepts branch believe that there are further principles that can be added to construct personalised systems. The value of each Branch can be determined by individual practitioners based on whatever merits they deem important.

Original JKD is further divided into two points of view. OJKD and JFJKD both hold Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing as the cornerstones on Lee's JKD.
OJKD follows all Lee's training from early Jun Fan Gung Fu (Seattle period) and focuses on trapping with Wing Chun influence. This is his teachings before it was Jeet Kune Do, but still his kung fu interpretations.
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a signature version of JKD as Lee taught privately to Ted Wong. This is a later time period and practices a greater emphasis on elusiveness and simplified trapping unique to Lee's later approach to combat. The focus is with Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing.

Jeet Kune Do in popular culture[edit]

Movie & television[edit]
Kato (Bruce Lee) from The Green Hornet is the first fighter who used Jeet Kune Do.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Game of Death.
Zen (Jeeja Yanin) from Chocolate use Jeet Kune Do mixed Muay Thai.
Silence Killer from Muay Thai Chaiya.
Kamen Rider Meteor from Kamen Rider Fourze
Tommy Oliver' (Jason David Frank) from Power Rangers. Actor Jason David Frank studied Jeet Kune Do in real life, bringing the techniques to the character.
In The Forbidden Kingdom, the lead character refers to Bruce Lee and "the way of the intercepting fist". The film's screenwriter, John Fusco, is a Shaolin Kung Fu practitioner and student of Jeet Kune Do.

[Fish]

Lee's intelligence and speed would be too much for Tyson. And I don't buy the BS of Tyson just needing one punch. That's silly. Lee would frustrate Tyson, and use his anger against him.

[Pablo]

WALL OF TEXT NOBODY WILL READ

Seriously man, CP'ers don't have the attention span to read more than a paragraph at a time for the most part.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not sure where all the Lee couldnt take a punch stuff is coming from- I guess all the street fighters he fought growing up didn't hit hard? Or maybe he wasn't hit hard in training by Ip Man? Maybe Tyson can hit harder than all the champions Lee challanged from different backgrounds when he opened his school in Seattle but I doubt it. They sent the best in the world after him and he took on all challengers.

People are comparing the Founder of Jeet Kune Do to a boxer who was brought up agaisnt lessor competition, was lazy in his training, a convicted rapist and was disgraced in the ring when he bite Evander's ear off when he was being outclassed by a much better fighter.

Jeet Kune Do (also "Jeet Kun Do", or simply "JKD") is an eclectic/hybrid system and philosophy of life founded by martial artist Bruce Lee[2] with direct, non-classical, and straightforward movements. Due to the way his style works, Jeet Kune Do practitioners believe in minimal movement with maximum effect and extreme speed. The system works on the use of different 'tools' for different situations. These situations are broken down into ranges (kicking, punching, trapping and grappling), with techniques flowing smoothly between them. It is referred to as a "style without style" or "the art of fighting without fighting" as said by Lee himself. Unlike more traditional martial arts, Jeet Kune Do is not fixed or patterned, and is a philosophy with guiding thoughts. It was named for the concept of interception, or attacking your opponent while he is about to attack. However, the name Jeet Kune Do was often said by Lee to be just a name. He himself often referred to it as "The art of expressing the human body" in his writings and in interviews. Through his studies Lee came to believe that styles had become too rigid, and unrealistic. He called martial art competitions of the day "Dry land swimming". He believed that combat was spontaneous, and that a martial artist cannot predict it, only react to it, and that a good martial artist should "Be like water" and move fluidly without hesitation.

In 2004, the Bruce Lee Foundation decided to use the name Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do (振藩截拳道) to refer to the martial arts system that Lee founded. "Jun Fan" was Lee's Chinese given name.

Lee's philosophy[edit]

Jeet Kune Do (JKD) is the name Lee gave to his combat system and philosophy. Originally, when Lee began researching various fighting styles, he gave his martial art his own name of Jun Fan Gung Fu. However not wanting to create another style that would share the limitations that all styles have, he instead described the process that he used to create it:


I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.

There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity. Every movement in Jeet Kune-Do is being so of itself. There is nothing artificial about it. I always believe that the easy way is the right way. Jeet Kune-Do is simply the direct expression of one's feelings with the minimum of movements and energy. The closer to the true way of Kung Fu, the less wastage of expression there is. Finally, a Jeet Kune Do man who says Jeet Kune Do is exclusively Jeet Kune Do is simply not with it. He is still hung up on his self-closing resistance, in this case anchored down to reactionary pattern, and naturally is still bound by another modified pattern and can move within its limits. He has not digested the simple fact that truth exists outside all molds; pattern and awareness is never exclusive. Again let me remind you Jeet Kune Do is just a name used, a boat to get one across, and once across it is to be discarded and not to be carried on one's back.

— Bruce Lee[3]

JKD as it survives today — if one wants to view it "refined" as a product, not a process — is what was left at the time of Lee's death. It is the result of the lifelong martial arts development process Lee went through. Lee stated that his concept is not an "adding to" of more and more things on top of each other to form a system, but rather, a winnowing out. The metaphor Lee borrowed from Chan Buddhism was of constantly filling a cup with water, and then emptying it, used for describing Lee's philosophy of "casting off what is useless". He used the sculptor's mentality of beginning with a lump of clay and hacking away at the "unessentials"; the end result was what he considered to be the bare combat essentials, or JKD. The dominant or strongest hand should be in the lead because it would perform a greater percentage of the work. Lee minimised the use of other stances except when circumstances warranted such actions. Although the On-Guard position is a good overall stance, it is by no means the only one. He acknowledged that there were times when other positions should be utilised.

Lee felt the dynamic property of JKD was what enabled its practitioners to adapt to the constant changes and fluctuations of live combat. He believed that these decisions should be done within the context of "real combat" and/or "all out sparring" and that it was only in this environment that a person could actually deem a technique worthy of adoption.

Lee did not stress the memorisation of solo training forms or "Kata", as most traditional styles do in their beginning-level training. He often compared doing forms without an opponent, to attempting to learn to swim on dry land. Lee believed that real combat was alive and dynamic. Circumstances in a fight change from millisecond to millisecond .Thus, pre-arranged patterns and techniques are not adequate in dealing with such a changing situation. As an antidote to this thinking, Lee once wrote an epitaph which read: 'In memory of a once fluid man, crammed and distorted by the classical mess.' The "classical mess" in this instance was what Lee thought of classical martial arts.

Principles[edit]

The following are principles that Lee incorporated into his Jeet Kune Do.[4] Lee felt these were universal combat truths that were self-evident, and would lead to combat success if followed. Familiarity with each of the "Four ranges of combat", in particular, is thought to be instrumental in becoming a "total" martial artist.

JKD teaches that the best defence is a strong offence, hence the principle of an "intercepting fist". For a person to attack another hand-to-hand, the attacker must approach the target. This provides an opportunity for the attacked person to "intercept" the attacking movement. The principle of interception may be applied to more than intercepting physical attacks. Non-verbal cues (subtle movements that an opponent may be unaware of) may be perceived or "intercepted", and thus be used to one's advantage.

The "Five ways of attack", categories which help JKD practitioners organise their fighting repertoire, comprise the offensive teachings of JKD. The concepts of "Stop hits & stop kicks", and "Simultaneous parrying & punching", borrowed from épée fencing's and Wing Chun's concepts of single fluid motions which attack while defending, comprise the defensive teachings of JKD. These concepts were modified for unarmed combat and implemented into the JKD framework by Lee, to complement the principle of interception.

Straight Lead[edit]

Lee felt that the straight lead was the most integral part of Jeet Kune Do punching, "The leading straight punch is the backbone of all punching in Jeet Kune Do".[5] The straight lead is not a power strike but a strike built for speed. The straight lead should always be held loosely with a slight motion, this adds to its speed and makes it harder to see and block. The strike is not only the fastest punch in JKD, but also the most accurate. The speed is attributed to the fact that the fist is held out slightly making it closer to the target and its accuracy is gained from the punch being thrown straight forward from your centerline. The straight lead should be held and thrown loosely and easily tightening up only upon impact adding a snap to your punch. The straight lead punch can be thrown from multiple angles and levels.[6] 1. High straight lead 2. Medium straight lead (to body) 3. Low straight lead 4. Slanting right 5. Slanting left 6. Double straight lead "Your leads hand should be like greased lightning and must never be held rigidly or motionless. Keep it slightly moving (without exaggeration) in a threatening manner, as it not only keeps your opponent on edge, but can also be delivered faster from motion than from immobility. Like a cobra, your strike should be felt before it is seen".[5]

Non-Cellphone Punch[edit]

Lee felt explosive attacks with no telegraphing signs of intention were best. He displayed that the attacks should catch the opponent off guard, throwing them off balance, leaving the opponent unable to defend against further attacks. "The concept behind this is that when you initiate your punch without any forewarning, such as tensing your shoulders or moving your foot or body, the opponent will not have enough time to react".[7] The key is that you must keep your body and arms loose, weaving your arms slightly only becoming tense upon impact. Lee wanted no wind up movements or "get ready poses" before any of your strikes were thrown. Lee explained that any twitches or slight movements before striking should be avoided as they will give the opponent signs or hints as to what you are planning and then they will be able to strike you first while you are preparing an attack. Consequently, non-telegraphic movement is an essential part of Jeet Kune Do philosophy.[8]

"Be like water"[edit]

Lee emphasized that every situation, in fighting or in everyday life, is varied. To obtain victory, therefore, it is essential not to be rigid, but to be fluid and able to adapt to any situation. He compared it to being like water, "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. That water can flow, or it can crash. Be water my friend".[9] Lee’s theory behind this is rather simple, you must be able to function in any scenario you are thrown into and you should react accordingly. You should know when to speed up or slow down, when to expand and when to contract, when to remain flowing and when to crash. It is the awareness that both life and fighting can be shapeless and ever changing that allows one to be able to adapt to those changes instantaneously and bring forth the appropriate solution. Lee didn’t believe in "styles" and felt that everyone and every situation is different, not everyone fits into a mould, we must remain flexible in order obtain new knowledge and victory in both life and combat. We must never become stagnant in the mind or method always evolving and moving towards improving ourselves.[10]

Economy of motion [edit]

Jeet Kune Do seeks to waste no time or movement, teaching that the simplest things work best as in Wing Chun. Economy of motion is the principle by which JKD practitioners achieve:
Efficiency: An attack which reaches its target in the least amount of time, with maximum force.
Directness: Doing what comes naturally in a disciplined way.
Simplicity: Thinking in an uncomplicated manner; without ornamentation.

This is meant to help a practitioner conserve both energy and time; two crucial components in a physical confrontation. Maximized force seeks to end the battle quickly due to the amount of damage inflicted upon the opponent. Rapidity aims to reach the target before the opponent can react, which is half-beat faster timing, learned in Wing Chun and Western boxing.[11] Learned techniques are utilised in JKD to apply these principles to a variety of situations.

Stop hits and stop kicks[edit]

"When the distance is wide, the attacking opponent requires some sort of preparation. Therefore, attack him on his preparation of attack." "To reach me, you must move to me. Your attack offers me an opportunity to intercept you." This means intercepting an opponent's attack with an attack of your own instead of a simple block. It is for this concept Jeet Kune Do is named. JKD practitioners believe that this is the most difficult defensive skill to develop. This strategy is a feature of some traditional Chinese martial arts as wing chun, as well as an essential component of European épée fencing. Stop hits & kicks utilise the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element.

Simultaneous parrying and punching[edit]

When confronting an incoming attack, the attack is parried or deflected and a counterattack is delivered at the same time. Not as advanced as a stop hit but more effective than blocking and counterattacking in sequence. This is practised by some Chinese martial arts as wing chun etc., it is also known in Krav Maga as "bursting". Simultaneous parrying & punching utilises the principle of economy of motion by combining attack and defence into one movement thus minimising the "time" element and maximising the "energy" element. Efficiency is gained by utilising a parry rather than a block. By definition a "block" stops an attack whereas a parry merely re-directs an attack. Redirection has two advantages: 1)It requires less energy to execute; 2) It utilises the opponents energy against them by creating an imbalance. Efficiency is gained in that the opponent has less time to react to an incoming attack, since they are still nullifying the original attack.

Low kicks[edit]

JKD practitioners believe they should target their kicks to their opponent's shins, knees, thighs, and midsection like in wing chun.[12] These targets are the closest to the foot, provide more stability and are more difficult to defend against. Maintaining low kicks utilises the principle of economy of motion by reducing the distance a kick must travel thus minimising the "time" element. However, as with all other JKD principles nothing is "written in stone". If a target of opportunity presents itself, even a target above the waist, one could take advantage of the situation without feeling hampered by this principle.

Four ranges of combat[edit]
Kicking
Punching
Trapping
Grappling

Jeet Kune Do students train in each of the aforementioned ranges equally. According to Lee, this range of training serves to differentiate JKD from other martial arts. Lee stated that most but not all traditional martial arts systems specialise in training at one or two ranges. Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of Mixed Martial Arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historical note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorised as short or close, medium, and long range.[13] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms although there may still be others who prefer the three categories.

Five ways of attack[edit]

The Original Five Ways of Attack Are:
1.Single Direct Attack (SDA)
2.Attack By Combination (ABC)
3.Progressive Indirect Attack (PIA)
4.(Hand) Immobilization Attack (HIA)
5.Attack by Drawing (ABD)

SDA has been expanded to include:
. Simple Angle attack (S.A.A): The simple angle attack is the use of any “Simple Attack”, an attack that has direct line of fire that is exploited by faking or beating an opponent to the punch, from an unexpected angle. The S.A.A can be set up by either feinting or readjusting the distance with footwork.

HIA has been expanded to also encompass foot immobilisation techniques and is sometimes just referred to as IA. Immobilization Attack (I.A): The immobilisation attack is the effective use of “Trapping”. Trapping is a method of attack that results in the holding down of an opponent’s hand or leg providing a safe route of attack. The trapping prevents the opponent from moving the body parts needed for defence, leaving them “trapped” and their body or face open for multiple strikes.
. Progressive Indirect Attack (P.I.A): The progressive indirect attack is similar to a “simple attack” except there is not a committed fake or feint. The P.I.A is an uncommitted thrust motion that forces your opponent to move in defence as you exploit the predetermined open area.
. Attack by Combination (A.B.C) Attack by combination is a series of punches and or kicks that follows a particular sequence to create openings or “Setups” in your opponent’s defence. The “setup” is created by the series of punches and or kicks manoeuvring the opponent into a position to receive a knockout blow.
. Attack by Drawing (A.B.D) The attack by draw method is executed when you are able to make your opponent believe there is an opening or weak spot in your defence. When your opponent tries to attack this area he creates his own opening or weak point and you attack that area, completely catching them off guard.[8]

Centerline[edit]





The Wing Chun centerline.




Punching from the Wing Chun centerline.




The centerline can be expressed as the height of a triangle.




An animation of mechanical linkage to the shoulders of the triangle illustrates the importance of guarding the centerline.
The centerline is an imaginary line drawn vertically along the center of a standing human body, and refers to the space directly in front of that body. If we draw an isosceles triangle on the floor, for which our body forms the base, and our arms form the equal legs of the triangle, then h (height of the triangle) is that same centerline. The Wing Chun concept is to exploit, control and dominate an opponent's centerline. All attacks, defences, and footwork are designed to guard your own centerline while entering your opponent's centerline space. Lee incorporated this theory into JKD from his sifu Yip Man's Wing Chun.

The three guidelines for centerline are:
The one who controls the centerline will control the fight.
Protect and maintain your own centerline while you control and exploit your opponent's.
Control the centerline by occupying it.

This notion is closely related to maintaining control of the center squares in the strategic game chess. The concept is obviously present in xiangqi (Chinese chess), where an "X" is drawn on the game board, in front of both players' general and advisors.

Combat realism[edit]

One of the premises that Lee incorporated in Jeet Kune Do was "combat realism". He insisted that martial arts techniques should be incorporated based upon their effectiveness in real combat situations. This would differentiate JKD from other systems where there was an emphasis on "flowery technique" as Lee would put it. Lee claimed that flashy "flowery techniques" would arguably "look good" but were often not practical or prove ineffective in street survival and self-defense situations. This premise would differentiate JKD from other "sport" oriented martial arts systems that were geared towards "tournament" or "point systems". Lee felt that these systems were "artificial" and fooled its practitioners into a false sense of true martial skill. Lee felt that because these systems favoured a "sports" approach they incorporated too many rule sets that would ultimately handicap a practitioner in self-defense situations. He felt that this approach to martial arts became a "game of tag" which would lead to bad habits such as pulling punches and other attacks; this would again lead to disastrous consequences in real world situations. Another aspect of realistic martial arts training fundamental to JKD is what Lee referred to as "aliveness". This is the concept of training techniques with an unwilling assistant who offers resistance. Lee made a reference to this concept in his famous quote "Boards don't hit back!"[14] Because of this perspective of realism and aliveness, Lee utilised safety gear from various other contact sports to allow him to spar with opponents "full out". This approach to training allowed practitioners to come as close as possible to real combat situations with a high degree of safety.

Absorbing what is useful, discard what is useless[edit]

This is the idea that a martial artist can only learn techniques in their proper context, through a holistic approach. Styles provide more than just techniques: They offer training methods, theories, and mental attitudes. Learning these factors allows a student to experience a system in what Lee called its "totality". Only through learning a system completely will an artist be able to, "absorb what is useful," and discard the remainder. Real combat training situations allow the student to learn what works, and what doesn't. The critical point of this principle is that the choice of what to keep is based on personal experimentation with various opponents over time. It is not based on how a technique may look or feel, or how precisely the artist can mimic tradition. In the final analysis, if the technique is not beneficial in combat, it is discarded. Lee believed that only the individual could come to understand what worked; based on critical self-analysis, and by, "honestly expressing oneself, without lying to oneself."

Branches[edit]

Although Lee officially closed his martial arts schools two years before his death, he allowed his curriculum to be taught privately. Since his death, Jeet Kune Do is argued to have split into different groups. Allegedly they are:
The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch, whose proponents include Taky Kimura, James Yimm Lee, Jerry Poteet, and Ted Wong; these groups teach what was developed and taught by Lee, and encourage the student to further develop his or her self and abilities through those teachings. The inherent training principles of this branch are shaped by the concepts of what was "originally taught", by Lee, which does include concepts that are often misused and misunderstood. Some argue these theories are merely viewed in different contexts by the two branches.
The JKD Concepts branch, whose proponents include Dan Inosanto, Richard Bustillo, Larry Hartsell; these groups strive to continue the philosophy of individual self-expression through re-interpretation of combat systems through the lens of Jeet Kune Do, under the concept that it was never meant to be a static art but rather an ongoing evolution, and have incorporated elements from many other martial arts into the main fold of its teachings (most notably, grappling and Kali / Escrima material) based on the individual's personal preferences and physical attributes. The entire "system" can be described through a simple diagram, and the concepts can then be applied to a variety of contexts in a "universal" way.

As far as is known, Lee himself authorised only one person to teach Jeet Kune Do: Daniel Inosanto, who achieved 3rd rank in JKD. Ted Wong, Lee's last student, achieved 2nd rank in Jeet Kune Do while training privately with Lee. After this, Lee did away with rankings in his teachings, so Ted was never "ranked" beyond the 2nd. Dan Inosanto, however, fully certified Ted Wong to teach after Lee's death.

Two other people were certified to teach by Lee as well. Taky Kimura and James Yimm Lee were certified to teach Jun Fan Gung Fu (the precursor to JKD), but not Jeet Kune Do itself.

There are essentially two "types" or viewpoints of Jeet Kune Do:
1.JKD framework This type of JKD provides the guiding principles. Lee experimented with many styles and techniques to reach these conclusions. To Lee these principles were truisms. The JKD framework is not bound or confined by any styles or systems. This type of JKD is a process.
2.JKD Personal Systems This type of JKD utilises the JKD framework along with any techniques from any other style or system to construct a "personal system". This approach utilises a "building blocks" manner in which to construct a personalised system that is especially tailored to an individual. Lee believed that only an individual could determine for themselves what the usefulness of any technique should be. This type of JKD is thus a product, but left to personal interpretation and therefore drifts further from that Lee actually developed and employed.

Lee believed that this freedom of adoption was a distinguishing property from traditional martial arts.

There are many who confuse the JKD Framework with a JKD Personal System (IE. Lee's personal JKD) thinking them to be one and the same. The system that Lee personally expressed was his own personal JKD; tailored for himself. Before he could do this, however, he needed to first develop the "JKD Framework" process. Many of the systems that Lee studied were not to develop his "Personal JKD" but rather was used to gather the "principles" for incorporation in the JKD Framework approach. The uniqueness of JKD to Lee is that it was a "process" not a "product" and thus not a "style" but a system, concept, or approach. Traditional martial arts styles are essentially a product that is given to a student with little provision for change. These traditional styles are usually fixed and not tailored for individuals. Lee said there were inherent problems with this approach and established a "process" based system rather than a fixed style which a student could then utilise to make a "tailored" or "personal" product of their own. To use an analogy; traditional martial arts give students fish to eat (a product). Lee believed that a martial art should just teach the student to fish (a process) and gain the food directly.

The two branches of JKD differ in what should be incorporated or offered within the "JKD Framework". The Original (or Jun Fan) JKD branch believes that the original principles before Lee died are all that is needed for the construction of personalised systems. The JKD Concepts branch believe that there are further principles that can be added to construct personalised systems. The value of each Branch can be determined by individual practitioners based on whatever merits they deem important.

Original JKD is further divided into two points of view. OJKD and JFJKD both hold Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing as the cornerstones on Lee's JKD.
OJKD follows all Lee's training from early Jun Fan Gung Fu (Seattle period) and focuses on trapping with Wing Chun influence. This is his teachings before it was Jeet Kune Do, but still his kung fu interpretations.
Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do is a signature version of JKD as Lee taught privately to Ted Wong. This is a later time period and practices a greater emphasis on elusiveness and simplified trapping unique to Lee's later approach to combat. The focus is with Wing Chun, Western Boxing, and Fencing.

Jeet Kune Do in popular culture[edit]

Movie & television[edit]
Kato (Bruce Lee) from The Green Hornet is the first fighter who used Jeet Kune Do.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar from Game of Death.
Zen (Jeeja Yanin) from Chocolate use Jeet Kune Do mixed Muay Thai.
Silence Killer from Muay Thai Chaiya.
Kamen Rider Meteor from Kamen Rider Fourze
Tommy Oliver' (Jason David Frank) from Power Rangers. Actor Jason David Frank studied Jeet Kune Do in real life, bringing the techniques to the character.
In The Forbidden Kingdom, the lead character refers to Bruce Lee and "the way of the intercepting fist". The film's screenwriter, John Fusco, is a Shaolin Kung Fu practitioner and student of Jeet Kune Do.

Jesus Christ man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Beef Supreme]

Nobody's saying Lee couldn't take a punch. But Tyson was knocking out professional fighters as big as he was in the first minute of fights on a regular basis.

Bruce Lee weighed 160 lbs soaking wet. You can overcome a significant size difference with skill, but the size difference here is huge, and Tyson was strong, fast and well trained.

Flyweights rarely knock each other out, because the power just isn't there. Bruce Lee may have trained to have phenomenal power in his punches, but he's still fighting an uphill battle against someone that much bigger and stronger than him. And Tyson regularly took punches from some pretty good punchers.

I'd love to believe that a small guy could just train hard enough and be the biggest badass on the planet, but it just isn't gonna happen. He can be a pretty big badass, but bigger, stronger and also pretty well trained is tough to ****ing beat.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

Nobody's saying Lee couldn't take a punch. But Tyson was knocking out professional fighters as big as he was in the first minute of fights on a regular basis.

Bruce Lee weighed 160 lbs soaking wet. You can overcome a significant size difference with skill, but the size difference here is huge, and Tyson was strong, fast and well trained.

Flyweights rarely knock each other out, because the power just isn't there. Bruce Lee may have trained to have phenomenal power in his punches, but he's still fighting an uphill battle against someone that much bigger and stronger than him. And Tyson regularly took punches from some pretty good punchers.

I'd love to believe that a small guy could just train hard enough and be the biggest badass on the planet, but it just isn't gonna happen. He can be a pretty big badass, but bigger, stronger and also pretty well trained is tough to ****ing beat.

Actually Bruce was about 5'7 and 140-with less 1% body fat. Tyson was only 5'10 but balloned to 220 after prison.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Actually Bruce was about 5'7 and 140-with less 1% body fat. Tyson was only 5'10 but balloned to 220 after prison.

Again, Tyson was knocking guys out with padded gloves.

One hit and it is over. Can Bruce Lee win? Only if he can avoid being hit once.

It doesn't matter how smart or good of a fighter you are...if the other guy is trained and half again your size, you have a significant disadvantage.

BTW, Mike Tyson weighed in about 220 in most of his fights....after prison he started weighing in around 230-235.

[BossChief]

I think it would be a lot closer than most here think.

PRIME Iron Mike in a street fight type setup without the limitations of a ring and the types of attacks he can use and what he can't do and it would be hard for anyone to stop. Including Bruce Lee.

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Not sure where all the...

tldr

and, when Tyson was a younger guy, he was an animal. Sure, after he got all famous and successful, he started to suck, but Tyson in his prime was an animal.

I'm sure Lee was a great fighter and technically sound. I Just don't know if he was in a cage match with Tyson and no weapons are involved, how well he'd do against Tyson. I think Tyson would be able to absorb some of Lee's blows and if Tyson ever got Lee into a corner and got in close to Lee, forget it. He'd kill Lee with a few blows. Once Lee got injured then it would be over.

The question is, could Lee injure Tyson enough to finish him off?

[Tombstone RJ]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Actually Bruce was about 5'7 and 140-with less 1% body fat. Tyson was only 5'10 but balloned to 220 after prison.

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0" tall and he weighed around 210lbs and it was all muscle. He was a tank.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0"

So you're actually arguing that in his prime he was taller?...

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

Nobody's saying Lee couldn't take a punch. But Tyson was knocking out professional fighters as big as he was in the first minute of fights on a regular basis.

Mike Tyson, never, at any point, was able to "think" boxing.

Someone like Ali, Holyfield, or even Floyd Patterson would out-think or out move him.

The original Lewis (Joe), and best, was a beast. Lead fists and determination no fighter today could dream of...

[MAYHEM]

Chuck Lidell used to bum rush fools in MMA successfully all the time. Tyson would have murdered Lee in that format.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

In Tyson's prime he was 5'11 & 3/4" so he was just a hair under 6.0" tall and he weighed around 210lbs and it was all muscle. He was a tank.

According to his own website he was never that tall-lol

And against old worn out fighters paid to take dives-he did look like an animal- but when he had to fight good competition he resorted to ear biting.

I doubt he would have landed one punch on Lee.