*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

He needs to reinvent himself.

Overreaction Monday.

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I can’t get over how much this dialogue is similar to what LeBron has went through his entire career as he tried to chase down MJ (or to be more specific, the media created ideal or “ghost” of MJ that was somehow infallible despite plenty of evidence to the contrary). Any Finals loss, even to a clearly vastly superior opponent, became a yearly indictment on his entire career.

Mahomes remains the best playoff performer in the history of the sport, regardless of yesterday’s poor game. Not all that close either if you look at the stats. His “legacy” as secure, unless of course you’re trying to compare him to some kind of ideal of Tom Brady that never actually existed in the first place. Brady wasn’t even widely considered the “GOAT” until his late 30s (when he started racking up SBs due to poorly coached Seahawk and Falcons teams), nor was he even considered the best player at his position for the vast majority of his career. This somehow gets forgotten now because he played until he was 45 years old and won 7 of the things.

Mahomes has had the best start to a career of any QB in the history of football by far to this point. Is that not enough?

Mahomes has 3 rings in his first 7 years, 5 championship appearances.

He blows LeBron out of the water

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

There have been plenty of QBs playing behind atrocious OLs that don't perform nearly that badly. Is what it is, going forward the team is going to need to hyper fixate on the OL in an attempt to solve it long term even at the cost of other aspects sliding backwards.

This is exactly what the Patriots did and it extended Brady's career and the Patriots' contention window to a major extent.

We can't be throwing out rookie LTs who get exposed within a single NFL game next year while Patrick Mahomes is in his prime going forward, no.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

What invincible perception? He's literally lost to the Bucs and Bengals in playoff games the last four years before this in between SB wins. You sure you're not trying to hold this guy up to an impossible standard that nobody in the history of football has never even come close to meeting?

Mahomes was the best player on the field when he played the Bucs. That loss was not on him.

The Bengals second half most people think he was concussed. He also had that game in OT and who knows what happens if Hill didn't bumble that pass for the interception.

Yes, I am holding Mahomes to an impossible standard because he keeps raising the bar. This was the first time he has completely crumbled in the playoffs.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by New World Order

Mahomes has 3 rings in his first 7 years, 5 championship appearances.

He blows LeBron out of the water

Or to be more accurate, his Chiefs teams blew the early aughts Cavs team out of the water. Mahomes has played on some great ones (2019 but also 2022 which looks even better in retrospect after last night).

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

There is no BS. I view Mahomes as the Jordan of the nfl. When the pressure is on they are just another animal. Mahomes has proven this time and time again. For him to crumble on the biggest stage is just shocking.

He will still go down as the greatest to ever play in my eyes. But to act like this game didn't hurt his legacy and that invincible perception when the lights are brightest. Well you are just lieing to yourself.

Brady won three then went TEN YEARS without winning and during those ten years he lost TWICE to one guy. So please get real. He had a tough game vs Cinci too and then ripped off three finals in a row and two championships. So your logic is ridiculous imo. Winning and losing is just how it goes. As bad as this defeat was his three comebacks were incredible. Fullstop.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

This is exactly what the Patriots did and it extended Brady's career and the Patriots' contention window to a major extent.

We can't be throwing out rookie LTs who get exposed within a single NFL game next year while Patrick Mahomes is in his prime going forward, no.

Anything less is risking Mahomes health and massive shortening of our championship window.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Mahomes was the best player on the field when he played the Bucs. That loss was not on him.

Yesterday's loss isn't on him either. He can perform better than that, but no QB is winning that game under that kind of pressure with a line getting blown up that badly.

The Bengals second half most people think he was concussed. He also had that game in OT and who knows what happens if Hill didn't bumble that pass for the interception.

He played a horrific second half against a team that was inferior to the Chiefs. He's not, nor was he ever invincible. If you think he was, you're simply ignoring what he's been to this point in his career and also holding him to an impossible standard that nobody has ever met in NFL history.

The guy is off to the best start of any QB ever through age 29 and you're bitching about his ****ing legacy? What are we doing here

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Anything less is risking Mahomes health and massive shortening of our championship window.

It can't happen again, but it honestly shakes my belief in Veach a bit that they trusted Kingsley with such a monumental task as a rookie and he failed that miserably and that quickly. That's the kind of experiment you do when you're rebuilding, not when you're a contender trying to threepeat in Mahomes' prime.

[smithandrew051]

There is one parallel with the OLs between the Bucs and Eagles Super Bowl that I wonder about.

Schwartz goes down. Remmers comes in at RT. I don’t remember him being terrible there. As I remember it, he was fine. Not great, just fine. Wylie was fine in relief at guard. Same with Allegretti. Again not great, but not a disaster.

Fisher goes down. We move Remmers to LT. Wylie to RT. Wiz to RG off the couch. The line becomes a disaster in multiple spots.

LT sucks this year. We move Thuney there eventually and Caliendo goes to guards. Thuney is overmatched at LT in the Super Bowl, Caliendo is a disaster. Two spots now aren’t good enough.

Should we rotate guys around like this and make multiple spots bad? Or just keep guys where they’re playing at least good enough? Then adjust accordingly for the weak spot.

Sure seems like we kill the communication and comfort level and create multiple weak links when we move guys around to account for 1 spot.

[chiefzilla1501]

I stopped caring about legacies a long time ago. Mahomes is cemented. Even with the loss last night he is probably cemented as the qb with the best peak. I don’t think he’ll last as long as Brady to win the case on longevity. That’s a way to look at it where we can both have our cake and eat it too.

So far our biggest challenges have been against Super Bowl teams. And they are both rb centered teams. SF and Philly. He’s routinely beaten his so called peers. It’s not even a conversation anymore except for the same people who wanted to rag on guys like Brady and Montana just because.

What I care about, and what mahomes undoubtedly cares about, is knowing this isn’t the best version of mahomes. We know he’s capable of better. I just want to see him perform more to the potential. That doesn’t mean scoring 40 pts per game but everyone knows he’s way too good to be barely beating all these teams.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

It can't happen again, but it honestly shakes my belief in Veach a bit that they trusted Kingsley with such a monumental task as a rookie and he failed that miserably and that quickly. That's the kind of experiment you do when you're rebuilding, not when you're a contender trying to threepeat in Mahomes' prime.

Should have just paid Orlando what he wanted. Play the void year game like the Eagles. Philly has been doing that shit for 10+ years and never had serious problems from it.

Worth remembering the Chiefs offense was still very good without Mitch Schwartz at RT. They scored 38 points in a conference title game without Schwartz. It was the loss of Eric Fisher at LT that killed them in the Super Bowl right after that.

With that in mind, $20M per year for Jawaan Taylor at RT was a mistake. Rather have Orlando Brown at $22-23M per year at LT mixed with "whoever" at Right Tackle, and play the void year game if you need to do it to make the salary cap work.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

There is one parallel with the OLs between the Bucs and Eagles Super Bowl that I wonder about.

Schwartz goes down. Remmers comes in at RT. I don’t remember him being terrible there. As I remember it, he was fine. Not great, just fine. Wylie was fine in relief at guard. Same with Allegretti. Again not great, but not a disaster.

Fisher goes down. We move Remmers to LT. Wylie to RT. Wiz to RG off the couch. The line becomes a disaster in multiple spots.

LT sucks this year. We move Thuney there eventually and Caliendo goes to guards. Thuney is overmatched at LT in the Super Bowl, Caliendo is a disaster. Two spots now aren’t good enough.

Should we rotate guys around like this and make multiple spots bad? Or just keep guys where they’re playing at least good enough? Then adjust accordingly for the weak spot.

Sure seems like we kill the communication and comfort level and create multiple weak links when we move guys around to account for 1 spot.

In retrospect, moving Thuney to LT wasn't the play. It just ended up damaging the entire left side of the line. Hard to know that before yesterday, though, considering he was mostly fine against Houston and Buffalo.

That Fisher Achilles tear that ruined his career btw might be the most impactful injury in Chiefs history. We'll never know if we win that SB with him, but there's a distinct chance we would have and he likely would have kept being a productive LT for years to come.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by TLO

I'm ready to embrace it. I love Kelce, and I always will. Father time is undefeated though, and Kelce is showing his age.

I think it's time for him to hang em up.

I agree. But, if he wants to return because he cant stand the lousy taste of that last game out of his mouth, I'm okay with that too. He has earned the right to go out as he wants to happen.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

There is one parallel with the OLs between the Bucs and Eagles Super Bowl that I wonder about.

Schwartz goes down. Remmers comes in at RT. I don’t remember him being terrible there. As I remember it, he was fine. Not great, just fine. Wylie was fine in relief at guard. Same with Allegretti. Again not great, but not a disaster.

Fisher goes down. We move Remmers to LT. Wylie to RT. Wiz to RG off the couch. The line becomes a disaster in multiple spots.

LT sucks this year. We move Thuney there eventually and Caliendo goes to guards. Thuney is overmatched at LT in the Super Bowl, Caliendo is a disaster. Two spots now aren’t good enough.

Should we rotate guys around like this and make multiple spots bad? Or just keep guys where they’re playing at least good enough? Then adjust accordingly for the weak spot.

Sure seems like we kill the communication and comfort level and create multiple weak links when we move guys around to account for 1 spot.

perhaps we need to draft OL that can play multiple positions along the line...