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Old 05-12-2022, 11:08 AM   #43201
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Look at Courtland Sutton's stats.

He's basically been JuJu.
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Old 05-12-2022, 11:14 AM   #43202
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Look at Courtland Sutton's stats.

He's basically been JuJu.
Smith-Schuster's best year was much better than Sutton's. He put up 1400+ yards while sharing the field with Antonio Brown in his prime.
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Old 05-12-2022, 11:23 AM   #43203
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Look at Courtland Sutton's stats.

He's basically been JuJu.
*While playing with Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater as opposed to Ben Roethlisberger.
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Old 05-12-2022, 11:48 AM   #43204
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*While playing with Case Keenum, Joe Flacco, Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater as opposed to Ben Roethlisberger.
You mean the corpse of Ben Roethlisberger that the Steelers basically forced to retire?
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Old 05-12-2022, 12:10 PM   #43205
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Kelce is a beast... but no, at this point I would take Sutton, Patrick, Jeudy and Hamler over the non-Kelce options you have provided.

First, let me remove by far the best receiving weapon either team has… then we’ll make the comparison. Right.

If you include Kelce, KC has a better playcaller, QB, offensive line and overall set of receiving weapons. The only offensive position group for Denver that exceeds KC’s is running back, but not in any significantly impactful manner. KC’s offense is top to bottom the best in the AFC west and close to tops in the league even without Hill (and yes, Mahomes and Reid being the best at what they do in the most important positions on a football team play the biggest role in that).


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Old 05-12-2022, 12:15 PM   #43206
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You mean the corpse of Ben Roethlisberger that the Steelers basically forced to retire?
He played with Mason Rudolph and Devin Hodges in 19 as well.
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You mean the corpse of Ben Roethlisberger that the Steelers basically forced to retire?
Yes, I do.

The corpse of Ben Roethlisberger had 22 TDs and 10 INTs last year (his worst season). That is better than any Broncos QB has had since Sutton was drafted.
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Yes, I do.

The corpse of Ben Roethlisberger had 22 TDs and 10 INTs last year (his worst season). That is better than any Broncos QB has had since Sutton was drafted.
Bridgewater and Lock combined for 20 TDs and 9 INTs last year.

So basically the same.
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Old 05-12-2022, 12:19 PM   #43209
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You mean the corpse of Ben Roethlisberger that the Steelers basically forced to retire?
They're so desperate to convince themselves that they're on KC's level. Propping up Roethlisberger now? He's been awful for two years.
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Bridgewater and Lock combined for 20 TDs and 9 INTs last year.

So basically the same.
Neat. The Broncos' best QB situation since Sutton came along is nearly as good as Roethlisberger's worst year.
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They're so desperate to convince themselves that they're on KC's level. Propping up Roethlisberger now? He's been awful for two years.
Roethlisberger has been awful for two years, you're right.

Denver's QBs have been worse.
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Old 05-12-2022, 12:36 PM   #43212
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Yes, I do.

The corpse of Ben Roethlisberger had 22 TDs and 10 INTs last year (his worst season). That is better than any Broncos QB has had since Sutton was drafted.
Have you ever asked yourself why all your QBs have worse results in Denver, with that allegedly great roster (that somehow managed to entirely elude the Pro Bowl)?

Keenum killed it for Minnesota the year before. Turdwater threw for way more yards and a higher comp % for a terrible team the year before. He also went 5-0 for NO a year earlier and 11-5 for Minn a few years before that. Flacco was worse in Denver. Lock was a pretty high draft pick with potential. His stock plummeted each season.

Have you ever considered that maybe your roster isn't nearly as good as you think?
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Have you ever asked yourself why all your QBs have worse results in Denver, with that allegedly great roster (that somehow managed to entirely elude the Pro Bowl)?

Keenum killed it for Minnesota the year before. Turdwater threw for way more yards and a higher comp % for a terrible team the year before. He also went 5-0 for NO a year earlier and 11-5 for Minn a few years before that. Flacco was worse in Denver. Lock was a pretty high draft pick with potential. His stock plummeted each season.

Have you ever considered that maybe your roster isn't nearly as good as you think?
Sounds like you're blaming Denver's coaching. I'd agree.
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Roethlisberger has been awful for two years, you're right.

Denver's QBs have been worse.
Or did Roethlisberger have better weapons?
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