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Old 05-01-2022, 09:05 PM   #42991
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I'm not the one trying to use it for my argument, you are.
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Old 05-01-2022, 09:57 PM   #42992
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And Jayson Oweh’s pressure rate in college was 13.2%

Karlaftis had a pressure rate of 13.4%. 4th in the nation since 2019.
Well that’s good to know, thanks!

Looks like Bonitto had a pressure rate of 21.9% in 2021 and 25.7% in 2020.

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Old 05-01-2022, 10:01 PM   #42993
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Old 05-01-2022, 10:24 PM   #42994
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Old 05-02-2022, 12:51 AM   #42995
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Well that’s good to know, thanks!

Looks like Bonitto had a pressure rate of 21.9% in 2021 and 25.7% in 2020.

These are different stats. The stats I gave you are not from PFF.

You would think that would be obvious based on the fact that Karlaftis had the 4th highest since 2019, like I said.

Also, you asked for a comparison with Oweh, I gave it to you, and you changed the subject entirely.

Like Willie Lanier said, you’re just running around in circles at this point. It’s pretty obvious that you are talking/arguing out of your ass. That’s why it’s best not to talk about things you have no clue about.

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These are different stats. The stats I gave you are not from PFF.

You would think that would be obvious based on the fact that Karlaftis had the 4th highest since 2019, like I said.
As far as I know, PFF is the only place that tracks pressure rate. If it’s from somewhere else, maybe you could provide a link rather than just copying text.
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Also, you asked for a comparison with Oweh, I gave it to you, and you changed the subject entirely.

Like Willie Lanier said, you’re just running around in circles at this point. It’s pretty obvious that you are talking/arguing out of your ass. That’s why it’s best not to talk about things you have no clue about.
You edited after I replied, so I’ll reply to this as well.

I asked for Oweh’s rate because I knew it wasn’t particularly high, and it’s not (for an OLB). 13% is good for a DE, but isn’t that great for an OLB. This also explains how Karlaftis has the 4th highest, he has the 4th highest for a DE, not overall. This ruins your argument that Oweh was drafted high and succeeded due to his pressure rate. He was drafted high because of his absurd pro day.
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Old 05-02-2022, 01:23 AM   #42998
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As far as I know, PFF is the only place that tracks pressure rate. If it’s from somewhere else, maybe you could provide a link rather than just copying text.
You asked for a comparison of Oweh and Karlaftis.

I gave it to you, and you responded by changing the subject to Nik Bonnito. Tell me again, where does PFF have Karlaftis and Bonitto ranked?

It’s pretty obvious that you’re arguing in bad faith, so you can just go **** yourself at this point.

Again, not trying to persuade you. Just letting you know you’re wrong.
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And thus, if you no longer have an argument that high college pressure rate equals success in the NFL, your argument that Karlaftis will therefore succeed loses merit.

I was hoping you could get there on your own after seeing that Oweh's rate didn't match up with many other college OLBs, but I'm not sure you ever would have.
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You edited after I replied, so I’ll reply to this as well.

I asked for Oweh’s rate because I knew it wasn’t particularly high, and it’s not (for an OLB). 13% is good for a DE, but isn’t that great for an OLB. This also explains how Karlaftis has the 4th highest, he has the 4th highest for a DE, not overall. This ruins your argument that Oweh was drafted high and succeeded due to his pressure rate. He was drafted high because of his absurd pro day.
No, I didn’t argue that Oweh was drafted high simply because of his pressure rate. I simply said that the sacks didn’t matter with him, because he consistently got pressure, and that’s what translates.

There’s obviously also projection based on measurbales too in most cases, hence why Bonnito had some great stats himself, yet isn’t anywhere near the prospect that Karlaftis is according to just about everybody.
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You asked for a comparison of Oweh and Karlaftis.

I gave it to you, and you responded by changing the subject to Nik Bonnito. Tell me again, where does PFF have Karlaftis and Bonitto ranked?

It’s pretty obvious that you’re arguing in bad faith, so you can just go **** yourself at this point.

Again, not trying to persuade you. Just letting you know you’re wrong.
So you're admitting that your pressure rate data is from PFF after all?
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And thus, if you no longer have an argument that high college pressure rate equals success in the NFL, your argument that Karlaftis will therefore succeed loses merit.

I was hoping you could get there on your own after seeing that Oweh's rate didn't match up with many other college OLBs, but I'm not sure you ever would have.
What is this nonsense about OLBs and DEs?

PFF groups all edge rushers together.
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What is this nonsense about OLBs and DEs?

PFF groups all edge rushers together.
Ok then, why don't you tell me why Nik Bonitto nearly doubled the pressure rate of the guy who had the "4th highest pressure rate since 2019" in 2020, and then blew it away again in 2021?
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Ok then, why don't you tell me why Nik Bonitto nearly doubled the pressure rate of the guy who had the "4th highest pressure rate since 2019" in 2020, and then blew it away again in 2021?
I can’t find any stats comparing this years class for pressure rates. I did however find one comparing pass rush win rate, which is another similar stat that I think translates well for the most part.

Bonnito’s pass rush win rate was 29% (2nd)

Karlaftis’ pass rush win rate was 23.9% (7th)

Other notables:

Aidan Hutchinson 25% (5th)

Kayvon Thibodeaux 22.8% (10th)

Bonnito is a one trick pony that plays in a defense that allowed him to really take advantage of his speed off the edge. He also plays in a soft conference, especially when it comes to the trenches.

Bonnito being 2nd means absolutely nothing because he’s an outlier. He’s a pass rush specialist in the NFL. He doesn’t have the size or play strength to be an every down player in the NFL like Karlaftis, Thibodeaux, and Hutchinson. He’s also significantly older than those guys.

There’s a reason those guys were 1st round picks and consensus top 20 players (though Karlaftis isn’t in the same tier as the other 2) while Bonnito was a consensus late 2nd/3rd round prospect.
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He’s also significantly older than those guys.
He's like 19 months older than Karlaftis yeah (and less than a year older than Hutchinson), Nik is still only 22 - will be 23 in Sept when the season starts. Is that really a terrible gap?
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