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Old 04-27-2017, 07:19 PM  
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Old 01-27-2025, 02:46 PM   #42841
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That does not equal "playing like shit".
Agreed...but people expect him to be perfect. Just the way it is.

I really liked how quickly he was throwing the ball in the pocket, and how quickly he was deciding to run the ball instead of hesitating behind the line of scrimmage. When he plays like that as both a passer & runner, it's very hard to stop the Chiefs offense.
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Agreed...but people expect him to be perfect. Just the way it is.

I really liked how quickly he was throwing the ball in the pocket, and how quickly he was deciding to run the ball instead of hesitating behind the line of scrimmage. When he plays like that as both a passer & runner, it's very hard to stop the Chiefs offense.
My response was that he was playing excellent and they were moving the ball damn near at will. Mistakes happen.

It was arguably our best offensive game of the year. and they left some plays on the field.

Mahomes had a .5 epa per play, thats ****ing incredible.
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Mainly Reerun who literally ruins the chat with his BS, but there were several others.
And that's somehow preferred by some over GDTs for reasons?
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Old 01-27-2025, 03:02 PM   #42844
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Agreed...but people expect him to be perfect. Just the way it is.

I really liked how quickly he was throwing the ball in the pocket, and how quickly he was deciding to run the ball instead of hesitating behind the line of scrimmage. When he plays like that as both a passer & runner, it's very hard to stop the Chiefs offense.
I'd love to know the absolute truth to what 'it' is in the regular season that made him so indecisive and out of sorts (of course we have about a hundred theories here)... last night and for the most part since the Texans regular season game he's suddenly looked as if he knows exactly where everyone is on the field all the time and just all around badass we expect. Decisive, getting the ball out quickly, a few great plays last night finding guys when his first read or two aren't it.

He was getting himself killed at times during the regular season, and not talking about the plays where he'd get blindsided in about half a second, but the double-clutching, stepping into the huddle into defenders, etc.
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Old 01-27-2025, 03:03 PM   #42845
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Peyton was a regular season merchant.

Obviously he’s an all time great, but I’m sorry, it’s silly to me to argue guys like him and Lamar who would just blatantly stat pad in the regular season against shitty teams and then routinely poop their pants in the playoffs against real competition are better than someone like Mahomes.

Does anyone really think that if Mahomes was hell bent on doing it he couldn’t go back to putting up gaudy stats in the regular season? Of course he could. He’s clearly made a conscious choice to conserve himself mentally and physically for the postseason and not peak too soon.

It’s him and Brady, and I’d still listen to an argument for Montana. But if he wins in two weeks I think the Montana argument is gone and it’s just him and Tom.
I’m far more forgiving of a lack of postseason success than others. I think the sample size for those games is generally just too small to focus on too much. Most others disagree.

Either way, Peyton may be THE best regular season QB of all time. I think that has to count for something. He also had two of the best individual seasons for a QB of all time (‘04 and ‘13).

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The Montana people have "he never threw an INT in the SB" they really hold onto that.
Yeah, and 4-0 in Super Bowls. If we win this next one I’m not sure how you can argue that 4-0 is better than 4-1 but many will. People like “perfection”.
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Old 01-27-2025, 03:06 PM   #42846
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Mahomes was incredible.

A (potential) mental error on the fumble - still hard to say if that was him or Pacheco on the miscommunication w/ the RPO. He said it was his fault, but he ALWAYS says it's his fault.

And the sack that was really just hubris. He makes that LB miss 9 times out of 10. Tip the cap to Milano for a hell of a play. It was a bad sack and one he rarely takes, but that's gonna happen sometimes.

In terms of decisionmaking and accuracy, he was absolutley on point.
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When Mahomes wins his 4th I’d still put him slightly behind Montana, since Montana has 3x first-team all-pro awards, one more than Mahomes.

But when it’s all said and done this won’t even be a conversation
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Montana didn't go to 5 Super Bowls. Montana didn't have a salary cap. Montana never ran over safeties.

If he wins his 4th, Mahomes > Montana.
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I’m far more forgiving of a lack of postseason success than others. I think the sample size for those games is generally just too small to focus on too much. Most others disagree.

Either way, Peyton may be THE best regular season QB of all time. I think that has to count for something. He also had two of the best individual seasons for a QB of all time (‘04 and ‘13).



Yeah, and 4-0 in Super Bowls. If we win this next one I’m not sure how you can argue that 4-0 is better than 4-1 but many will. People like “perfection”.
it’d be one thing if peyton was consistently putting up great or even good performances in tough losses but he was prone to getting absolutely ****ing walloped, especially by the Pats D.
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Really?

Who the **** said that?

I thought last night was his best game this year.
EASILY. Dude was balling last night.
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Montana didn't go to 5 Super Bowls. Montana didn't have a salary cap. Montana never ran over safeties.

If he wins his 4th, Mahomes > Montana.
No free agency in 1980’s. Way harder to win like this in the 2000’s and later.
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And that's somehow preferred by some over GDTs for reasons?
Well the best part is you don't have to refresh anything to keep up.
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Mahomes was incredible.

A (potential) mental error on the fumble - still hard to say if that was him or Pacheco on the miscommunication w/ the RPO.

In terms of decisionmaking and accuracy, he was absolutley on point.
I was about to say....I dunno if you can put that on Mahomes. We haven't been running many RPOs so I think it was just the lack of reps.
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it’d be one thing if peyton was consistently putting up great or even good performances in tough losses but he was prone to getting absolutely ****ing walloped, especially by the Pats D.
I will say that it does make sense that guys would play worse in the postseason. Defenses are generally tougher, stakes are higher, weather is worse, refs are less likely to call defensive holding/DPI, etc.

But unlike Allen and Lamar, Peyton’s career is over and he’s got 15 years worth of coming up short in the playoffs. There was clearly something going on.
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Montana didn't go to 5 Super Bowls. Montana didn't have a salary cap. Montana never ran over safeties.

If he wins his 4th, Mahomes > Montana.
That’s fair
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