Chiefs Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1 - Page 28

pugsnotdrugs19 · 05:54 PM

SEE POST #11 FIRST

... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well.

Urc Burry · 04-20-2017, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

Kizer's concern should be his statistical regression in college the same way Barkley, Freeman and Ponder, etc did and the concern he might turn out the same way as them

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...e_year_before/

He looked like the #1 pick when he had Stanley, Prosoise, and Fuller. You've seen what he's capable of... I think he'd be going to a much better situation than those other qbs you listed. The reality of our situation is you're not going to find a qb without red flags.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2017, 01:40 PM

It doesn't ****ing matter.

Everyone in the entire football universe is saying that any team that wants a QB needs to trade up in front of the Chiefs and Texans.

we aren't getting any of the top 3 guys(tribusky,watson,mahomes)

Maybe Kizer is there because he's such a douchebag.

We aren't taking any of the 2nd tier guys in the 1st round.

So it's Kizer or nothing in the 1st.

I doubt the 2nd tier guys make it down to use in the 2nd either.

so we have maybe Dobbs or Kaaya later on for use

So that's it ... Kizer,Dobbs,Kaaya or some scrub later on.

Either this was all just a smokescreen or Dorsey should have just held a press conference announcing who he wanted to pick.

raybec 4 · 04-20-2017, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

It doesn't ****ing matter.

Everyone in the entire football universe is saying that any team that wants a QB needs to trade up in front of the Chiefs and Texans.

we aren't getting any of the top 3 guys(tribusky,watson,mahomes)

Maybe Kizer is there because he's such a douchebag.

We aren't taking any of the 2nd tier guys in the 1st round.

So it's Kizer or nothing in the 1st.

I doubt the 2nd tier guys make it down to use in the 2nd either.

so we have maybe Dobbs or Kaaya later on for use

So that's it ... Kizer,Dobbs,Kaaya or some scrub later on.

Either this was all just a smokescreen or Dorsey should have just held a press conference announcing who he wanted to pick.

I swear to God Laz, you never cease to amaze me with your stellar outlook

RunKC · 04-20-2017, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

It doesn't ****ing matter.

Everyone in the entire football universe is saying that any team that wants a QB needs to trade up in front of the Chiefs and Texans.

we aren't getting any of the top 3 guys(tribusky,watson,mahomes)

Maybe Kizer is there because he's such a douchebag.

We aren't taking any of the 2nd tier guys in the 1st round.

So it's Kizer or nothing in the 1st.

I doubt the 2nd tier guys make it down to use in the 2nd either.

so we have maybe Dobbs or Kaaya later on for use

So that's it ... Kizer,Dobbs,Kaaya or some scrub later on.

Either this was all just a smokescreen or Dorsey should have just held a press conference announcing who he wanted to pick.

Webb was told by more than 10 teams that he was a first rd talent. It's him or Kizer.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2017, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Webb was told by more than 10 teams that he was a first rd talent. It's him or Kizer.

Fair enough, I was looking at Webb as a top of the 2nd guy.

So it's ...

Webb or Kizer in the 1st

Dobbs or Kaaya later on

Then it's Scrub time

kccrow · 04-20-2017, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Urc Burry

He looked like the #1 pick when he had Stanley, Prosoise, and Fuller. You've seen what he's capable of... I think he'd be going to a much better situation than those other qbs you listed. The reality of our situation is you're not going to find a qb without red flags.

That's what makes him the most scary of all. You need a QB that makes the team around him better, not a QB who's team makes him better. If you need a couple 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick in college just to be an okay QB, then that is very much worrisome.

I was very much on the Kizer train until I watched a bunch more of his games from 2016, then I promptly fell off. I think Kizer peaks in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 3rd.

Although I thought a season ago that Prescott was a marginal 1st round talent, teams ended up thinking he was a 3rd round guy. I think Prescott was a much better prospect.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

That's what makes him the most scary of all. You need a QB that makes the team around him better, not a QB who's team makes him better. If you need a couple 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick in college just to be an okay QB, then that is very much worrisome.

I was very much on the Kizer train until I watched a bunch more of his games from 2016, then I promptly fell off. I think Kizer peaks in the 2nd round, but I wouldn't be surprised if he goes in the 3rd.

Although I thought a season ago that Prescott was a marginal 1st round talent, teams ended up thinking he was a 3rd round guy. I think Prescott was a much better prospect.

I'm not sure a QB who divides or fragments a team is worth picking at all.

Look at Cutler, amazing physical talent but could never get the team moving in the same direction.

Maybe Kizer matures and changes but in what round is that worth the risk?

Still, rumors about Kizer but they are seeming to be more and more valid as time goes by.

RunKC · 04-20-2017, 03:56 PM

Matt Miller was just on 610 AM radio and he talked about all the quarterbacks.

Kizer has been really bad in the interviews with teams from what he's heard. He's been labeled as pouty and not assertive.

Matt still thinks that Davis Webb would be very high on our board, but he also thinks that Watson could very well be available around our pick.

Looking more and more like Webb guys

DJ's left nut · 04-20-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Looking more and more like Webb guys

Okay, I guess.

If they like him, there's a reason. And I don't actively dislike him. So I suppose I'd be fine with that.

DJ's left nut · 04-20-2017, 04:06 PM

Y'know, I think you're right.

You read about all the 'quarterback room' stuff and I do think Reid will love the kid. He puts so much emphasis on what they do to immerse themselves in the offense and the team that you have to figure that stuff with him showing up to film study with diagrams he put together and suggestions for the offense will just get Reid wet as hell.

And he has an above average arm and a great QB frame. There's quite a bit to like.

I think folks are onto something here; he seems like a nice compromise position between the balls or bust Mahomes and cerebral career backup Peterman.

I dunno...I feel like I should just bow out on QB conversation at this point as I can't come to any conclusions at all. I just keep spinning my wheels except I'm pretty sure I
know who I don't want at this point (and hell, even that I can't stick a flag in the ground on as I could probably be talked into Chad Kelly in the later rounds and I'm pretty sure I can't stand that guy).

pugsnotdrugs19 · 04-20-2017, 04:17 PM

It's exhausting thinking about all the possibilities at pick 27, especially considering the QB need. Just get a good damn player and I'll be happy.

RunKC · 04-20-2017, 04:36 PM

I was actually wrong on Webb. I didn't like him at all a month ago.

Now I think he brings a lot to the table after learning more about him.

-captain for 2 different schools
-was named captain at Cal after 2 months
-elite body frame
-elite arm
-very smart
-very driven

Andy says he likes players who bring energy and that sounds like this kid. Senior Bowl MVP helps too. Dorsey loves Senior Bowl standouts

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-20-2017, 04:52 PM

Ultimately, you guys are over thinking it. If you look at scouting reports pre-media circus.

All of the hyped QB'same had 2nd round grades. IMO, the run will start in the late teens to 20s.

You'll have teams believing to wait till the 2018 draft class because of that QB crop

This is not factoring draft day QB trades either

Chief Northman · 04-20-2017, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I was actually wrong on Webb. I didn't like him at all a month ago.

Now I think he brings a lot to the table after learning more about him.

-captain for 2 different schools
-was named captain at Cal after 2 months
-elite body frame
-elite arm
-very smart
-very driven

Andy says he likes players who bring energy and that sounds like this kid. Senior Bowl MVP helps too. Dorsey loves Senior Bowl standouts

Not pissing on your parade, but the Senior Bowl GAME is designed to favour the offense. No blitzes, certain types of coverage need to be played, etc.
I think more evaluation stock is put into the practices leading up to the game. Webb looked good as did Peterman.

Red Dawg · 04-20-2017, 07:44 PM

I just hope they get one in the first two rounds. Not Kizer under any circumstance. That kid got worse.

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Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	It doesn't ****ing matter. Everyone in the entire football universe is saying that any team that wants a QB needs to trade up in front of the Chiefs and Texans. we aren't getting any of the top 3 guys(tribusky,watson,mahomes) Maybe Kizer is there because he's such a douchebag. We aren't taking any of the 2nd tier guys in the 1st round. So it's Kizer or nothing in the 1st. I doubt the 2nd tier guys make it down to use in the 2nd either. so we have maybe Dobbs or Kaaya later on for use So that's it ... Kizer,Dobbs,Kaaya or some scrub later on. Either this was all just a smokescreen or Dorsey should have just held a press conference announcing who he wanted to pick. __________________
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04-20-2017, 03:56 PM	#413
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1380389	Matt Miller was just on 610 AM radio and he talked about all the quarterbacks. Kizer has been really bad in the interviews with teams from what he's heard. He's been labeled as pouty and not assertive. Matt still thinks that Davis Webb would be very high on our board, but he also thinks that Watson could very well be available around our pick. Looking more and more like Webb guys __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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04-20-2017, 04:06 PM	#415
DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-600901	Y'know, I think you're right. You read about all the 'quarterback room' stuff and I do think Reid will love the kid. He puts so much emphasis on what they do to immerse themselves in the offense and the team that you have to figure that stuff with him showing up to film study with diagrams he put together and suggestions for the offense will just get Reid wet as hell. And he has an above average arm and a great QB frame. There's quite a bit to like. I think folks are onto something here; he seems like a nice compromise position between the balls or bust Mahomes and cerebral career backup Peterman. I dunno...I feel like I should just bow out on QB conversation at this point as I can't come to any conclusions at all. I just keep spinning my wheels except I'm pretty sure I know who I don't want at this point (and hell, even that I can't stick a flag in the ground on as I could probably be talked into Chad Kelly in the later rounds and I'm pretty sure I can't stand that guy). __________________ "If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..." "When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
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04-20-2017, 04:17 PM	#416
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6649447	It's exhausting thinking about all the possibilities at pick 27, especially considering the QB need. Just get a good damn player and I'll be happy.
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04-20-2017, 04:36 PM	#417
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1380389	I was actually wrong on Webb. I didn't like him at all a month ago. Now I think he brings a lot to the table after learning more about him. -captain for 2 different schools -was named captain at Cal after 2 months -elite body frame -elite arm -very smart -very driven Andy says he likes players who bring energy and that sounds like this kid. Senior Bowl MVP helps too. Dorsey loves Senior Bowl standouts __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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04-20-2017, 04:52 PM	#418
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2737187	Ultimately, you guys are over thinking it. If you look at scouting reports pre-media circus. All of the hyped QB'same had 2nd round grades. IMO, the run will start in the late teens to 20s. You'll have teams believing to wait till the 2018 draft class because of that QB crop This is not factoring draft day QB trades either __________________
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04-20-2017, 07:44 PM	#420
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1492858	I just hope they get one in the first two rounds. Not Kizer under any circumstance. That kid got worse. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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