*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Do you have any idea how ridiculous it would look to other fanbases to be crying like this about the best QB ever (during a 9-0 season coming off B2B SBs) because he missed a throw or two?

If Mahomes ever gets hurt again to the point he has to miss games (which unfortunately may happen with a turnstile like Kingsley at LT), I think some may be in for a rude awakening about how much he actually does out there and how much better even a subpar Mahomes is than practically every other QB in the sport.

Kelce admitted the ball n the endzone on his podcast the ball was catchable but his feet were messed up and he couldn’t get up for it . The worthy was a miss but not sure how easy it is to throw the ball 60 yards with wind is, I’m not making excuses for Pat but I mean some of theses guys trying to bury him kinda make me wonder if they are just miserable not matter what.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Has ANYONE said that?

Nobody - precisely nobody - wants Mahomes traded or benched. Not seriously anyway (we have some gameday thread people that lose their shit and others that are tongue in cheek)

But ain't anybody here that wants Mahomes traded for Jackson or Allen or Burrow or Herbert or anyone else.

They just want to know why he's not playing at the same level he was playing at over the last season+. And I get it, you're super eager to make excuses for him.

But he's had personnel and problems around him very very similar to this in the past and was a damn monster in spite of it. 2022 PM is what this PM should be able to do.

And he's not.

The question is simply 'why?'

Mahomes’ QBR is equivalent to what it was in 2021 and higher than it was last season. The team is 9-0 and the offence is efficient (particularly when it matters at winning time).

I’m just failing to see any problem here. Are we really so bored with success that we have to manufacture a story that there is some kind of issue with the best and most valuable player in the sport because he missed a throw or two?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

It's almost like all teams aren't perfect because they have limited resources and opportunities to address all their issues. Weird indeed.

Yes, especially when the QB makes a big chunk of the resources and can't play up to that level because of the surrounding issues.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, especially when the QB makes a big chunk of the resources and can't play up to that level because of the surrounding issues.

Mahomes' salary is only 12th in football among starting QBs this year: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/74868149007/

Are you suggesting he's not been a top 12 QB in football?

[Chitownchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by O.city

Yes, especially when the QB makes a big chunk of the resources and can't play up to that level because of the surrounding issues.

You must be fun at parties.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Mahomes' salary is only 12th in football among starting QBs this year: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...s/74868149007/

Are you suggesting he's not been a top 12 QB in football?

Clearly, the yearly salary is what matters here. Correct, yes.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

Clearly, the yearly salary is what matters here. Correct, yes.

Your point doesn't make any sense no matter what salary you're talking about sadly.

[KC_Connection]

Turnover worthy plays and percentage:
Josh Allen: 13 (3.5%)
Patrick Mahomes: 8 (2.1%)

Actual turnovers:
Josh Allen: 4
Patrick Mahomes: 9#ChiefsKingdom via @PFF

— Price Carter (@priceacarter) November 12, 2024

I wonder if Bills fans are crying this week about how much money Josh Allen (the current #2 in the MVP race) makes too.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by O.city

Last year it was the WR's, this year it's the OL.

I dunno. Seems weird.

It's hard to win the NFL. Full stop.

Manning should have won a bunch of Super Bowls. He was way better than everyone else until Brady's decisionmaking became infallible. He won one, and then didn't **** up another one.

It's hard to win in the NFL. That's why I don't get too wound up in the accomplishments, legacy, whatever shit everyone is on about. Mahomes is the best ever and I'm here for all of it.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Your point doesn't make any sense no matter what salary you're talking about sadly.

There's a reason only 1 QB has won a Sb making a certain amount of the cap per year. Good thing it was Mahomes I guess.

[O.city]

Mahomes $ doesn't have any downstream effect on the rest of the roster, got it.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

There's a reason only 1 QB has won a Sb making a certain amount of the cap per year. Good thing it was Mahomes I guess.

A real coincidence it was Mahomes, eh?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

Mahomes’ QBR is equivalent to what it was in 2021 and higher than it was last season. The team is 9-0 and the offence is efficient (particularly when it matters at winning time).

I’m just failing to see any problem here. Are we really so bored with success that we have to manufacture a story that there is some kind of issue with the best and most valuable player in the sport because he missed a throw or two?

You've cited the only 2 full seasons of his career where he wasn't in MVP consideration. The only two years of his career where his AAY/A was below 8. The only 2 seasons of his career with a QBR below 70 and a QB Rating below 100.

Congrats - you've further buttressed the fact that he hasn't played at an MVP level thus far. Which is to further support that he's not playing to the standards we know he's capable of.

I'm not sure why this is difficult to accept.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes $ doesn't have any downstream effect on the rest of the roster, got it.

Yeah, the roster is so bad now due to Mahomes' salary that it has won 15 games in a row coming off B2B SBs.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You've cited the only 2 full seasons of his career where he wasn't in MVP consideration.

Congrats - you've further buttressed the fact that he hasn't played at an MVP level thus far. Which is to further support that he's not playing to the standards we know he's capable of.

I'm not sure why this is difficult to accept.

I never said he was playing at his best this year (other than at winning time in the 4th quarter, as he literally always does). What I'm trying to understand is why anybody is concerned about that given his team's unparalleled success and his track record.

His regular season numbers are yet again going to be worse than Lamar Jackson's at the end of this year. And yet who are you taking when they play in January?