*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



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Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Chiefspants]

Remember how it was Eddie Kennison of all people who consistently ate Champ Bailey’s lunch? Sometimes corners just don’t match up well against a specific guy for whatever reason.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

He's never been a great deep ball thrower his entire career and he's had very few attempts at it in recent years. Not sure why anyone would be too surprised by that miss.

The shocking missed throw for him was to Kelce. That's one he makes 99% of the time. Still led the game winning drive though, so all's well that ends well.

Despite his arm strength, he's average with his deep ball. He doesn't put enough air under it to allow his receivers to adjust, and since he's significantly cut down on his attempts, it really shows.

That being said, his line is awful, he doesn't have a great receiving cast, his TE has lost 3-4 steps, and his RB lacks speed until Pacheco gets back.

This team needs Hollywood and Pacheco to help that god-awful situation at LT. If they aren't going to sign Bakhtiari or D. Smith then move Thuney outside who is probably better than Smith at LT anyways. Or move Taylor to LT so the pressure isn't coming from the blind side.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by emaw1979

Despite his arm strength, he's average with his deep ball. He doesn't put enough air under it to allow his receivers to adjust, and since he's significantly cut down on his attempts, it really shows.

That being said, his line is awful, he doesn't have a great receiving cast, his TE has lost 3-4 steps, and his RB lacks speed until Pacheco gets back.

This team needs Hollywood and Pacheco to help that god-awful situation at LT. If they aren't going to sign Bakhtiari or D. Smith then move Thuney outside who is probably better than Smith at LT anyways. Or move Taylor to LT so the pressure isn't coming from the blind side.

I just don’t think he’s very confident in them. We spent the past few years using deep balls as a bailout and with WRs like Mvs who can’t adjust to the ball we kind of had to put it where the defender can’t catch it. I think we need Hollywood and lots of reps to help break out of it. A guy who you can depend on to pretty consistently be where he needs to be. Worthy has speed but he still seems to really be working out those small adjustments to the ball.

He’s never gonna be crazy accurate deep. But he also threw plenty of catchable balls to tyreek.

[emaw1979]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I just don’t think he’s very confident in them. We spent the past few years using deep balls as a bailout and with WRs like Mvs who can’t adjust to the ball we kind of had to put it where the defender can’t catch it. I think we need Hollywood and lots of reps to help break out of it. A guy who you can depend on to pretty consistently be where he needs to be. Worthy has speed but he still seems to really be working out those small adjustments to the ball.

He’s never gonna be crazy accurate deep. But he also threw plenty of catchable balls to tyreek.

Yeah, I should have clarified. I meant Hollywood back for the offense to thrive, not just for the deep ball.

[Monticore]

Hard to be accurate on deep balls when you throw one ver 20 air yards per game .

[Hammock Parties]

I think the ankle may have played a factor in his accuracy this week.

Particularly on the deep ball he had to reset very quickly.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Remember how it was Eddie Kennison of all people who consistently ate Champ Bailey’s lunch? Sometimes corners just don’t match up well against a specific guy for whatever reason.

Yep, I remember Stevie Johnson used to get all up in Darrelle Revis’ ass even in his prime.

[RunKC]

FWIW on the Kelce TD miss Patrick said he thought the safety was coming in so he threw it higher only where Kelce could get it

[Chiefspants]

I think it’s worth remembering that a lot of Patrick’s most iconic deep balls (WASP, 2018 & 2019’s AFCCG deep balls to Sammy, the 70 yarder to Hill, etc) would simply not be possible with this offensive line. Patrick seems to be very intentional about winding up before unloading on 50+ yard balls. Hard to do that when you’re worried a rusher is about to obliterate you.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chargem

They doubled Chase most of the day, but Sutton is not worth doubling

They really didn't.

They doubled him some, sure, but there were a TON of snaps in there where McDuffie had him singled up and worse his ass like a tailored suit.

Sutton just kicked his ass and Chase didn't. Part of it may just be that Sutton's better at dealing with adversity and just keeps coming. Chase, OTOH, if you punch him in the mouth early, will put it in cruise control most of the day.

Gotta credit Courtland for that performance. He wore McDuffie out. Better receivers than him have failed with that same attempt but he had Trent's number yesterday.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

FWIW on the Kelce TD miss Patrick said he thought the safety was coming in so he threw it higher only where Kelce could get it

What kind of rocket did he think Travis had up his ass?

That ball wasn't CLOSE to catchable. Even if you're trying to protect your receiver.

Naw - that was just an airmail. He simply missed the throw.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I think the ankle may have played a factor in his accuracy this week.

His deep vertical sideline ball has never been great. A lot of the deep stuff he used to hit were typically deep crossers etc.

I doubt his ankle has anything to do with it.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel

Andy squirrels away best plays & the players don't. Really

No he doesn't. Quit it.

[chiefzilla1501]

I don’t think mahomes is a good deep ball thrower when his feet are set. I don’t know how you fix that because I think it’s largely mental. He’s thinking too much about where he wants the ball to go instead of letting loose. Because even on deep throws he just seems way better when he’s throwing off platform. I mean wasp and the Sammy Watkins throws… he threw both a little off balanced and with some air where he had some margin of error even if it wasn’t a perfect throw

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ToxSocks

No he doesn't. Quit it.

I heard someone make the best point I've heard yet on this.

He doesn't 'save' plays - he simply doesn't spam them.

When most teams find something that works, they just go to that well over and over and over again until you prove you can stop it.

Reid just doesn't do that. Not in the regular season at least. If he finds something that works, he puts it in his pocket to build on and/or use again when he needs it.

I think that's partly why they're not just using that bunch formation with robber motion over and over and over again inside the 10. Because I think they have that play to Kelce or Hopkins just about anytime they want it.

But IF they use it every time they're down there, it's gonna end up like that interior shovel pass that just doesn't work anymore. Because we overused it several years ago and now teams look for it.

He doesn't hold things back, but he doesn't tip his hand either. I think that's why a lot of these games stay closer than we'd like. Because he's not going to just keep hammering a particular weakness to create a blowout. What benefit is there to it?