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Old 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM  
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Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator
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Old 12-12-2022, 09:19 AM   #4111
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Specialize in shell coverage? Do you even know what shell coverages are?
All teams run them the point is to get a guy that is comfortable running them a lot.
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Old 12-12-2022, 09:20 AM   #4112
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I mean we allowed a season high 28 points from the worst offense since the 2012 chiefs... And the game became a 1 score game when their QB engineered a 75 yard touchdown drive before getting knocked out of the game.

It was as bad as it appeared.
Except it wasn’t but believe what you want.
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Old 12-12-2022, 09:20 AM   #4113
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If Mahomes doesn't throw 3 picks, we're not even having this conversation.

People need to calm the **** down.
Not completely true.

They scored TDs each time not FGs. He nearly cost us the game. Kelce cost us last week and Patrick damn near did yesterday.

I almost feel that he sometimes thinks he is invincible and ANY mistake can be overcome.

I still wouldn't trade him for all the tea in China.
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Old 12-12-2022, 09:21 AM   #4114
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But again, for as much as the defense frustrates me, how can uou possibly put our playoff losses on spags? It was the gazillion sacks and negative offense in Tampa. The defense more than held their own against Cincy. It was the offense that constantly put up three and outs in the second half. It's not like they just sucked. They were repeatedly put in really really bad spots by our offense
I'm basing more off the totality of work, not just by a few games where they had to pickup the offense. Overall, I don't think you could ever rank Spags defense in the top half of the league, in any given year they've always floated around mid-tier. If you've seen what Brady was able to do with top ten defenses in his career, that seems to be the winning formula. My argument centers around not wasting Pat's prime years, and other playmakers on our team, based on loyalty to a good, but never great defense and/or coordinator. Patrick's trajectory is going towards Aaron Rodgers more than it is Tom Brady at this point, and it's better to see it in advance and correct it rather than let our late 20s stars retire or go to another team before you get it right. If we win the Superbowl this year, or get to the AFC Championship, then I'll gladly say let's try it again. But if they regress and lose out because the defense couldn't stop anyone in the Divisional or Wildcard rounds, then it's a glaring problem at that point in an offseason full of questions on how do we make the team better to get back to the point we were once at.
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If Mahomes doesn't throw 3 picks, we're not even having this conversation.

People need to calm the **** down.
That’s the thing. Yesterday looked like the Bengals collapse. It’s kinda worrisome
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All teams run them the point is to get a guy that is comfortable running them a lot.
Without a pass rush it doesn’t matter. The Bengals dropped 8 against KC because their three guys could pressure Mahomes. The formula does not and will never change. Pressure the QB and you have a chance. Do not and it can be very hard to win.
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Without a pass rush it doesn’t matter. The Bengals dropped 8 against KC because their three guys could pressure Mahomes. The formula does not and will never change. Pressure the QB and you have a chance. Do not and it can be very hard to win.
Of course. Last week against the Bengals it would not have mattered what you were calling when your DL gets its ass kicked.
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Not completely true.

They scored TDs each time not FGs. He nearly cost us the game. Kelce cost us last week and Patrick damn near did yesterday.

I almost feel that he sometimes thinks he is invincible and ANY mistake can be overcome.

I still wouldn't trade him for all the tea in China.
Was it Spags that almost cost us the game or Mahomes? This team was cruising up 27-0 before the offense got careless.
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Of course. Last week against the Bengals it would not have mattered what you were calling when your DL gets its ass kicked.
Which is exactly why I think he needs one more season with Veach addressing the Dline like he does with any area of weakness. No pass rush and every coordinator and scheme fails. Doesn’t matter if that coordinator is Spags, Belechick, or Buddy Ryan.
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Except it wasn’t but believe what you want.
What part wasn't? Did they not allow 28 points to the worst offense since the 2012 Chiefs?
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The death of this team will be pass rush. Wasn't horrible but it needs to be addressed next year.
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Was it Spags that almost cost us the game or Mahomes? This team was cruising up 27-0 before the offense got careless.
They had a 40 yard TD drive. A 60 yard TD drive and two 75 yard TD drives. It's not like Mahomes was turning the ball over in our own red zone.
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I have said repeatedly that in 3 years spags has not costed us a season. For all the ups and downs they have yet to let us down in a playoff loss. We followed up a embarrassing stretch in 2019 with a dominant playoff run on defense. We had a solid showing in 2020. We had an embarrassing game on defense vs Cincy followed by a playoff game where our defense actually played burrow reasonably well.



We've had plenty of bad stretches on defense but have generally been good when we get to the playoffs. I'm plenty uncomfortable with our defense right now but yeah, until he actually costs us a playoff game he deserves the benefit of the doubt. Our offense, not our defense, by a mile are the biggest reasons for our recent playoff exits
Oh don't worry, his D will cost us one this year.

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Just don’t get out to a big lead and this defense is fine.
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the floor for this defense is giving up 27-29 points this year

that isn't great, but if the floor gives mahomes a chance to win, i'm not that worried
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