*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Caleb has always had a chip on his shoulder when it’s come to Patrick. In college he was getting asked about his comparisons to Patrick so often that he snapped one day and said “the only difference between Mahomes and I is that I can throw the ball further.”

On one hand, I can empathize with how questions like this could get frustrating when you’re trying to blaze your own trail and it’s being assumed you’ve been influenced by someone who never influenced you.

On the other, Mahomes was compared to Favre quite often until his Brees/Brady esque 2022 season (Year 6 in the league), and never once took the “risk taking gunslinger” comparison as an insult and let his play rather than his words bury those comparisons (funnily enough, Josh Allen has always looked like a Favre with legs to me but rarely gets that comparison).

Caleb approached college with the same bravado and it made the haters extra delightful when he had high profile chokes against Tulane and other lesser teams. We’ll see if he shakes his college reputation like Mahomes did, because he’ll have to do it with stratospheric like expectations (because unlike Mahomes & Favre, he’s being compared to the best).

Definitely seems as of right now that Caleb will need to succeed and succeed early. If he doesn’t I could see the criticism crushing him and if he’s anything like he is in public when he’s in the locker room I could see his teammates turning on him.

[Urc Burry]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Caleb has always had a chip on his shoulder when it’s come to Patrick. In college he was getting asked about his comparisons to Patrick so often that he snapped one day and said “the only difference between Mahomes and I is that I can throw the ball further.”

On one hand, I can empathize with how questions like this could get frustrating when you’re trying to blaze your own trail and it’s being assumed you’ve been influenced by someone who never influenced you.

On the other, Mahomes was compared to Favre quite often until his Brees/Brady esque 2022 season (Year 6 in the league), and never once took the “risk taking gunslinger” comparison as an insult and let his play rather than his words bury those comparisons (funnily enough, Josh Allen has always looked like a Favre with legs to me but rarely gets that comparison).

Caleb approached college with the same bravado and it made the haters extra delightful when he had high profile chokes against Tulane and other lesser teams. We’ll see if he shakes his college reputation like Mahomes did, because he’ll have to do it with stratospheric like expectations (because unlike Mahomes & Favre, he’s being compared to the best).

It’s definitely a thing. It’s weird, but it’s real. I’ve seen a lot of interviews of him, and he flat out refuses to mention Pat’s name at all

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

Caleb has always had a chip on his shoulder when it’s come to Patrick. In college he was getting asked about his comparisons to Patrick so often that he snapped one day and said “the only difference between Mahomes and I is that I can throw the ball further.”

On one hand, I can empathize with how questions like this could get frustrating when you’re trying to blaze your own trail and it’s being assumed you’ve been influenced by someone who never influenced you.

On the other, Mahomes was compared to Favre quite often until his Brees/Brady esque 2022 season (Year 6 in the league), and never once took the “risk taking gunslinger” comparison as an insult and let his play rather than his words bury those comparisons (funnily enough, Josh Allen has always looked like a Favre with legs to me but rarely gets that comparison).

Caleb approached college with the same bravado and it made the haters extra delightful when he had high profile chokes against Tulane and other lesser teams. We’ll see if he shakes his college reputation like Mahomes did, because he’ll have to do it with stratospheric like expectations (because unlike Mahomes & Favre, he’s being compared to the best).

And he’ll have to do it with Eberflus and not a great bears team.

I said it in the Caleb thread, the fact that he missed what makes Mahomes great - which is the work on top of the natural stuff - would be a red flag for me.

Maybe it’s a one off and the kid is a worker, but I dunno. The filthy stuff is great but Mahomes is a winner because of the study and the grind.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Can't wait for him to bust...badly

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

And he’ll have to do it with Eberflus and not a great bears team.

I said it in the Caleb thread, the fact that he missed what makes Mahomes great - which is the work on top of the natural stuff - would be a red flag for me.

Maybe it’s a one off and the kid is a worker, but I dunno. The filthy stuff is great but Mahomes is a winner because of the study and the grind.

Yup. Talent as a QB without the work ethic gets you Jamarcus Russell.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Can't wait for him to bust...badly

Yup, I don't think he has the mental fortitude.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Who?

[Mecca]

It's going to be incredibly hard for Caleb Williams to be a bust, he's surrounded by an incredibly good supporting cast.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's going to be incredibly hard for Caleb Williams to be a bust, he's surrounded by an incredibly good supporting cast.

Weapons are great but word from Bears camp is that the offensive line has been a bit of a mess.

I am interested to see how things there play out. Aside from our obvious rival the Bills, I think how Williams shakes out may be the non-Chiefs storyline I’m most interested in this year.

Well, I’m also curious to see what happens with Rodgers and the Jets but that’s also more for possible rivalry concerns.

[Kiimo]

Caleb Williams will fail





He's a Bears QB.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's going to be incredibly hard for Caleb Williams to be a bust, he's surrounded by an incredibly good supporting cast.

Lions and Packers are 2 of the 3 best teams in the NFC. I expect the Vikings to be competent as well.

That’s gonna hurt him

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Weapons are great but word from Bears camp is that the offensive line has been a bit of a mess.

Ah, the Bengal and Charger way.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lions and Packers are 2 of the 3 best teams in the NFC. I expect the Vikings to be competent as well.

That’s gonna hurt him

That doesn't account for that the Vikings are probably a 6 win team, McCarthy isn't ready and Sam Darnold?

The other 2 sure but I could also make the argument teams like them usually see regression the next.

[carcosa]

Caleb probably won't be a full bust, but I could see a Lawrence-esque arc where he plays just well enough to get paid without actually accomplishing anything.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Caleb probably won't be a full bust, but I could see a Lawrence-esque arc where he plays just well enough to get paid without actually accomplishing anything.

Lawrence isn't even a bust, he's being graded on an arc no one was graded on a decade ago. Because a couple of QB's have been good out of the gate it's changed expectations.

In 2006 a young starter that was Lawrence would have been a huge win.