Lamar Jackson wasn't, isn't, and never will be better than Patrick Mahomes

[Wallcrawler]

This "Lamar Jackson is in the same league as Mahomes" nonsense on every football related show I see needs to stop.

Lamar Jackson, on the biggest stage, has now shit down his leg in both opportunities. Lamar is a player who has to have everything around him working perfectly to have success. Put him down 2 scores and ask him to carry the team, he cannot answer the bell.

There's a big difference between a running quarterback, and a quarterback who can run. Lamar Jackson and The Ravens ran 88 plays and put up 12 points.

Jackson attempted 59 passes, only threw one touchdown, but also threw two picks and lost a fumble. 12 points on 59 pass attempts should tell you all you need to know about Lamar as a QB when the lights are the brightest.

Nobody would bat an eye if before the game, soneone told us Pat would put the ball up 59 times. Matter of fact, id be pretty excited to see how many points and yards he would put up in that span of plays.

When things got bad for both QBs, you saw the odds on favorite to win the MVP this year get visible frustrated, press, and ultimately fold. He was nowhere to be seen trying to work out what was happening, rallying his team, he simply pouted on the sideline as his team fell further behind.

The reigning MVP had literally no quit. Its one thing to say after the fact, that we had faith all along, its quite another for that to be true.

Down 24, think about that for a moment. 24. Mahomes is captured, in that moment on the sideline saying we have everything we want. Everyones already counted us the **** out, so go do something special.

Then, to walk the walk after talking the talk, leading the team to 7 straight touchdowns and 8 scoring drives, throwing 5 touchdown passes, and displaying a fiery emotion that if you dont feel anything when you see this kid going nuts after a huge play, call the coroner, because youre already dead.

The two qbs could not be further apart. Jackson cannot hold Mahomes jock when it comes to putting the team on his back.

Lamar should consider signing with KC as a running back. Its the only way barring injury to Mahomes, that hes ever getting a ring.

Mahomes is the MVP. Its not even close. Lamar is a running back executing the halfback pass play about 20-25 times a game.

Jacksons first two years have ended with dud playoff performances.

Mahomes first two years as a starter sees his team hosting back to back AFC title games for a frachise that in its entire history never hosted a single one before he arrived.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Yea I still don’t buy into him ever being a top QB, but I think he has a better shot than Lamar.

He’s in a different universe than Lamar frankly. Allen has progressively improved as both a passer and QB since coming into the league, and he always had the pure arm talent, something Lamar lacks. We need to remember that this guy made Mahomes look like a polished prospect coming out. He was the definition of raw. Dude has come a long way since his first year. The turnovers are still a problem but he is a bonafide playmaker.

From what I’ve seen of Allen in all three games this year, I’m probably only talking Pat, ARod, and Wilson over him at this point in time.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

He’s in a different universe than Lamar frankly. Allen has progressively improved as both a passer and QB since coming into the league, and he always had the pure arm talent, something Lamar lacks. We need to remember that this guy made Mahomes look like a polished prospect coming out. He was the definition of raw. Dude has come a long way since his first year. The turnovers are still a problem but he is a bonafide playmaker.

From what I’ve seen of Allen in all three games this year, I’m probably only talking Pat, ARod, and Wilson over him at this point in time.

The thing is though if you see all of his plays he still misses wide open guys because he doesn't trust pockets so he moves and he does wild shit that makes you wonder if he'll do something nuts like have a 6 turnover game.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

I think Josh Allen, Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence could one day be those guys. Maybe Tua as well...

DeShaun Watson if he had a better organization around him....

Josh plays too recklessly.

And Watson has very little pocket presence. Holds the ball way too long - that's nobody's fault but his own.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Josh plays too recklessly.

And Watson has very little pocket presence. Holds the ball way too long - that's nobody's fault but his own.

Allen is the most reckless QB I may have ever seen, he's the first dude I've watched and honestly thought..this dude is just wild, he's like a pitcher that throws 104 with no control.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The thing is though if you see all of his plays he still misses wide open guys because he doesn't trust pockets so he moves and he does wild shit that makes you wonder if he'll do something nuts like have a 6 turnover game.

It’s possible. He definitely still has room to improve but that’s what’s so alluring about Allen. He can clearly still get better, even though he’s been fantastic so far. His upside is about as high as any QB in football not named Mahomes.

What makes me confident he’ll improve is that he has gotten better every single season. He’s progressed as smoothly as you could have hoped, IMO.

Also he runs like a linebacker and it’s still something I can’t get used to seeing. Dude Stiff arms defenders like he’s Marshawn Lynch. He’s easily my favorite player to watch who isn’t a Chief.

[Sassy Squatch]

Pretty entertaining to watch him play, though. If the Bills defense can get their shit together that team will have some serious potential.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

It’s possible. He definitely still has room to improve but that’s what’s so alluring about Allen. He can clearly still get better, even though he’s been fantastic so far. His upside is about as high as any QB in football not named Mahomes.

What makes me confident he’ll improve is that he has gotten better every single season. He’s progressed as smoothly as you could have hoped, IMO.

Also he runs like a linebacker and it’s still something I can’t get used to seeing. Dude Stiff arms defenders like he’s Marshawn Lynch. He’s easily my favorite player to watch who isn’t a Chief.

He's Roethlisberger if Ben got coked out of his mind before a game, that's all I can compare him to.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Pretty entertaining to watch him play, though. If the Bills defense can get their shit together that team will have some serious potential.

They just don’t have much of a pass rush. I don’t see much changing this year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

It’s possible. He definitely still has room to improve but that’s what’s so alluring about Allen. He can clearly still get better, even though he’s been fantastic so far. His upside is about as high as any QB in football not named Mahomes.

What makes me confident he’ll improve is that he has gotten better every single season. He’s progressed as smoothly as you could have hoped, IMO.

Also he runs like a linebacker and it’s still something I can’t get used to seeing. Dude Stiff arms defenders like he’s Marshawn Lynch. He’s easily my favorite player to watch who isn’t a Chief.

He's a lot like Cam Newton. He's not going to hold up playing the way he does.

[Sassy Squatch]

Major ****ing props to the Bills for getting him Stefon Diggs as well. That's a top 5 QB-WR connection when he's on point.

[Mecca]

Nobody plays football like Josh Allen. Nobody. pic.twitter.com/CQn6bYDMcQ

— Barstool Sports (@barstoolsports) September 27, 2020

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's a lot like Cam Newton. He's not going to hold up playing the way he does.

He’s coked up Cam Newton with a rocket launcher

The Big Rape comparison is the most accurate IMO. Big Ben was extremely ehhh his first few seasons in the league, he was very raw just like Allen.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

They just don’t have much of a pass rush. I don’t see much changing this year.

Probably not. They've got a pretty nice young defensive core to build around though with White, Edmunds, and Oliver (assuming he's done being a complete dumbass).

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

He’s coked up Cam Newton with a rocket launcher

The Big Rape comparison is the most accurate IMO. Big Ben was extremely ehhh his first few seasons in the league, he was very raw just like Allen.

I don't think he had the ball security issues Allen does though.

[Halfcan]

When Watson plays good- it is because he is AMAZING- when he plays bad- it because he has no weapons, poor coach and poor organization.

He always has a built-in excuse for being mediocre.