***Official Bushwood Country Club Lounge***

[smittysbar]

Okay, here is a place for the Golfers to talk about tournaments, clubs, swing help or thoughts.

Today is the Players Championship, which I think ought to be the 5th Major. Largest pot in the PGA. The daunting 17th, which seems to bring excitement every year. At least we will get to see Sergio blow up yet again.

I am ready to see some water balls!

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

He's #1 on the PGA Tour in scoring average. He's also #1 in total putting and #4 in strokes gained putting. Have no idea what you're basing your opinions on.

Watching him muck around **** up on the greens at every major this year.

He's not #1 in putting, Phil is. Tiger is #14 in Putts/GIR and 54th in total putting.

Quit lying.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Lofts vary on 1 irons. Old school 1 irons are going to have less loft than 1 irons made in the last 25 years.

They'll have more. The average loft on irons has been strengthened by about 3-4* over the last 25 years. Your dad's 1 is your 2.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I can't find the PGA Tour stats. Can you assist me?

Sure! I can help!

Total Putting
Select Year: 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001
Y-T-D statistics through: The Open Championship Jul 21, 2013
Rank
This
Week Rank
Last
Week Player Events Total
1 1 Tiger Woods 10 58.6
2 2 Greg Chalmers 20 59.8
3 3 Peter Hanson 12 70.4
4 4 Bryce Molder 19 70.6
5 5 David Hearn 21 71.1
6 6 Stephen Ames 17 72.3
7 7 Luke Donald 10 75.8
8 8 Aaron Watkins 16 81.6
9 11 Billy Horschel 19 89.6
10 9 Russell Henley 19 90.8 http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02428.html

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Sure! I can help!

Total Putting
Select Year: 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001
Y-T-D statistics through: The Open Championship Jul 21, 2013
Rank
This
Week Rank
Last
Week Player Events Total
1 1 Tiger Woods 10 58.6
2 2 Greg Chalmers 20 59.8
3 3 Peter Hanson 12 70.4
4 4 Bryce Molder 19 70.6
5 5 David Hearn 21 71.1
6 6 Stephen Ames 17 72.3
7 7 Luke Donald 10 75.8
8 8 Aaron Watkins 16 81.6
9 11 Billy Horschel 19 89.6
10 9 Russell Henley 19 90.8 http://www.pgatour.com/stats/stat.02428.html

Putts per round is an actual measurement of the number of putts someone takes when they play golf:

54th

Putts/GIR is still the de facto standard for putting.

http://espn.go.com/golf/statistics/_.../type/expanded

14th

Total putting doesn't actually measure how many strokes a player takes on a green they hit, nor how many strokes they take per round.

[Prison Bitch]

Total putts is meaningless, it's skewed by your approach shot proximity to the hole. Hitting it tight results in fewer putts by definition. Doesn't mean you putted well.


Here's the best measurement of putting, Sabermetrics geeks like you & I should like this: http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/st...-pga-tour-stat

['Hamas' Jenkins]

I agree that strokes gained is a good metric, but it is not the "Total Putting" stat. Furthermore, only a buffoon could watch the majors and say with a straight face that Tiger's putting is not a problem. It obviously is, regardless of what he does at Doral.

[Garcia Bronco]

What's Tiger's Fairways and Greens percentage compared to the field...I think these are the best indicators

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I agree that strokes gained is a good metric, but it is not the "Total Putting" stat. Furthermore, only a buffoon could watch the majors and say with a straight face that Tiger's putting is not a problem. It obviously is, regardless of what he does at Doral.

Maybe he needs another lesson with Stricker.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

What's Tiger's Fairways and Greens percentage compared to the field...I think these are the best indicators

His driving accuracy is 57th, but he hits driver significantly less often than do other pros. He's 35th in GIR.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They'll have more. The average loft on irons has been strengthened by about 3-4* over the last 25 years. Your dad's 1 is your 2.

I was under the understanding that lofts have been weakened over the years, like old school 4 irons are our 3 irons, so forth. Thought I read that somewhere.

Researched this and found that Ben Hogan's 1 iron had more loft than today's 1 irons. The messageboard even had a debate of whether Hogan would be as effective with a modern 1 iron. Idiots.

[GordonGekko]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

His driving accuracy is 57th, but he hits driver significantly less often than do other pros. He's 35th in GIR.

Yeah, if Tiger can get the driver back in gear again, I think he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Seems lately, and I mean the last 5 years or so, he has been pretty crappy with the big stick. Always having to scramble and make heroic shots from the rough or in the trees, this will bite your ass in the big tournaments.

I would almost like to see him go back to the driver he used in 2000, wonder if he still has it? I think it was a steel shaft Titleist, 6.5 degree. He hit that thing like 320 easy.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

Yeah, if Tiger can get the driver back in gear again, I think he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Seems lately, and I mean the last 5 years or so, he has been pretty crappy with the big stick. Always having to scramble and make heroic shots from the rough or in the trees, this will bite your ass in the big tournaments.

I would almost like to see him go back to the driver he used in 2000, wonder if he still has it? I think it was a steel shaft Titleist, 6.5 degree. He hit that thing like 320 easy.

He used a Titleist 975D 7.5* w/ a DGX100 shaft.

He's crappy with the driver because he doesn't have the fast twitch speed he once did. More specifically, the Haney swing ruined his driver, as he got way too laid off at the top. He's better with it than he once was, but now he has a dual miss instead of just blowing everything 60 yards right.

[O.city]

He gets so steep with the driver and it gets stuck behind him, so he's either going to snap hook it left or blast it right.


He's trying to change it, but it's taking a while.

And FWIW, Hank Haney is an awful golf swing coach.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

I was under the understanding that lofts have been weakened over the years, like old school 4 irons are our 3 irons, so forth. Thought I read that somewhere.

Researched this and found that Ben Hogan's 1 iron had more loft than today's 1 irons. The messageboard even had a debate of whether Hogan would be as effective with a modern 1 iron. Idiots.

Old school four irons are our six irons.

Think about it this way: how do you think equipment manufacturers keep getting longer and longer distances out of their irons every year, especially TM? They don't do it via much innovation in the cavity backed iron, but by strengthening the loft.

Ping's Eye 2s, for example, had a 36* 7 iron. The G15s were 32* for the same club.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

He gets so steep with the driver and it gets stuck behind him, so he's either going to snap hook it left or blast it right.


He's trying to change it, but it's taking a while.

And FWIW, Hank Haney is an awful golf swing coach.

He's always gotten stuck. He even got stuck w/ Butch. One of his problems is that he doesn't have the hand speed to fix the face at impact anymore.

One thing I'll never understand, O'Meara aside, is how he was dumb enough to take on Haney as a coach. Haney literally quit playing golf because he had the driver yips.

Hell, have any of his players on his show actually gotten better because of what he's taught them? I imagine they are better golfers, but I'd bet it's due to practicing a lot rather than anything his dumb ass has taught them.