Funny Stuff New Conference re-alignment thread - Page 265

**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

**alnorth** · 10-07-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I'll reread your post when you stop ignoring the numerous counterpoints to your stupid and ignorant posts on football recruiting.

You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.

You are right, I haven't been replying to anyone's points, I'm just ignoring all responses and bulldozing my way forward.

If we're just going to talk past each other, then there's not much left to talk about, all we'll end up doing is annoy each other. There's a large number of fans, especially on Tigerboard, who are hell-bent on believing that nothing bad will happen to their recruiting, and there is nothing that will change that assumption except maybe a decade of results.

mnchiefsguy · 10-07-2011, 12:00 PM

I think the KU fans in this thread are no longer afraid of Mizzou leaving because it will break up the BIG XII....but instead deep down they know there might a possibility that Mizzou football might just move to the next level. I think the thought of a competitive Mizzou fighting for an SEC divisional title year in year out with national exposure drives them crazy.

If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football.

The KU fans are like the fans on here that are afraid for the Chiefs to draft a qb because it might be a bust. The Mizzou fans are the ones that are saying draft the guy, and take a shot, knowing that it might fail. I think Mizzou fans are comfortable with taking that chance.

|Zach| · 10-07-2011, 12:01 PM

Missouri has been taking kids that were over looked and putting them in a position to play on Sundays. That won't stop.

BigCatDaddy · 10-07-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3960
That should sum it up for you.

Where is the link stating Pinkel wants to go to the SEC? Even if he did it doesn't tell me shit other then he is a dumbass.

|Zach| · 10-07-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

**alnorth** · 10-07-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy

If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football.

Again, it is not the competition, it is the (lack of) recruiting in what will become the SEC's Siberia. There are some ignorant KU/UT/whatever fans who are saying "LOL Alabama, Florida and LSU will crush the Tigers, good luck!", but that argument misses the point.

If Mizzou can maintain their recruiting in the SEC, then there's no reason why things can't come together every once in a while for a conference championship.

My argument is that you will likely fail in the SEC, not because the teams are tough, but because you'll be one of the last SEC options, whereas you are currently the 3rd or 4th Big 12 option.

There is no way to scientifically prove that, so I guess we'll have to come back in 2021 and revisit what happened.

mnchiefsguy · 10-07-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nope - losses.

But they're points worth making when discussing the overall strength of a football program. We're not going out there and having teams like Georgia Tech set records against us.

Mizzou, even when it loses, isn't getting embarrassed. It's all about the evolution of the program. Teams go from getting their asses kicked by everyone (KU), to beating bad teams but getting stomped by elite teams (the Daniel era Tigers) to beating the bad teams and hanging with the elite teams (hopefully where we are now) to simply winning against anyone (OU, Alabama, Florida).

It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.

But that's okay - enjoy the smack talk while you can. Grandpa Bill ain't gonna live forever and you fellas will go back to the kids table soon enough.

Excellent post..and this why I am excited about Mizzou moving on.

ChiefsCountry · 10-07-2011, 12:05 PM

Here is a couple of Texas kids that played in the SEC

DJ's left nut · 10-07-2011, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Sorry if this has been said, but IMO the best thing for MU would be to force the Big 12 back into 2 divisions where they would spearhead the north. With Nebraska gone they would be favored most years to win it and eventually they are gonig to beat a south team a year here or a year there and get their BCS Bowl game I really just have a hard time seeing a path to a BCS Bowl game for them in the SEC.

I've been trying to play racquetball more often of late and the guy I play with, I can beat right at 60% of the time. That said - I have a shit backhand, I mean absolute shit. So the last game I tried to get him to serve from the other side of the court, at my backhand. I lost and lost badly, every single game. I'll continue to lose badly until I figure that shit out, but I guarantee you I'll figure it out.

What's best for MU is to learn to play its backhand, not to keep getting by against a weaker opponent off one trick.

You continue to misinterpret MU fan's goals in all this - we like the North titles and all - but don't worship them (like Beakers and their Orange Bowl). What we want is to simply have great football in Columbia. We know our record is going to be worse for being the SEC, but I also fully expect that we'll field teams over the coming years that would absolutely piss-pound teams like last year's and the year before's.

"Spearheading the North" will stall us. We'll be a nice little program that gets on TV sometimes but never really shows up nationally. And yeah - that's probably about where we'll end up in the SEC as well, but the odds of us being something more than that improve in the SEC over the XII.

kstater · 10-07-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

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It's fair to point out that the MU program has progressed a great deal over the last decade to the point where we can absolutely claim to be as good or better than WVU and all but about 20 programs in the nation.
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WVU has 5 conference championships in the last decade in a BCS league(The weakest BCS league mind you). Mizzou? They appeared the the CCG that one time.

**DaKCMan AP** · 10-07-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

right now? Probably WVU, but Mizzou could pass them soon. The Big East is dead. If WVU is left out of conference realignment, they are dead in the water.

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

West Virginia.

Ok. So WVU has 19 players on their current roster that are from the state of Florida. Why don't you think a Mizzou team that's in the SEC couldn't compete for those 19 kids?

|Zach| · 10-07-2011, 12:10 PM

LSU's former recruiting coordinator was brought to Missouri 3 years ago. He will be someone to lean on I imagine.

DJ's left nut · 10-07-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

WVU has 5 conference championships in the last decade in a BCS league(The weakest BCS league mind you). Mizzou? They appeared the the CCG that one time.

If this is the best argument you have, you should probably back it in.

The Tigers would've !@#$ing annihilated the Big East over the last 10 years.

But that's okay, big fella - let it all out. I know the Ron Prince years took a lot out of you and I'm sure the coming decade isn't going to be much kinder.

BigCatDaddy · 10-07-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've been trying to play racquetball more often of late and the guy I play with, I can beat right at 60% of the time. That said - I have a shit backhand, I mean absolute shit. So the last game I tried to get him to serve from the other side of the court, at my backhand. I lost and lost badly, every single game. I'll continue to lose badly until I figure that shit out, but I guarantee you I'll figure it out.

What's best for MU is to learn to play its backhand, not to keep getting by against a weaker opponent off one trick.

You continue to misinterpret MU fan's goals in all this - we like the North titles and all - but don't worship them (like Beakers and their Orange Bowl). What we want is to simply have great football in Columbia. We know our record is going to be worse for being the SEC, but I also fully expect that we'll field teams over the coming years that would absolutely piss-pound teams like last year's and the year before's.

"Spearheading the North" will stall us. We'll be a nice little program that gets on TV sometimes but never really shows up nationally. And yeah - that's probably about where we'll end up in the SEC as well, but the odds of us being something more than that improve in the SEC over the XII.

As an OU fan I guess I still don't get it. I'm perfectly happy in the Big 12 where we can get a national title game every 3 years or so then trying to run the gauntlet that is the SEC. Eventually they will win a few of those games and let's say Stoops ends up 3-5 in title games. I'll take that all day long.

eazyb81 · 10-07-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Again, it is not the competition, it is the (lack of) recruiting in what will become the SEC's Siberia. There are some ignorant KU/UT/whatever fans who are saying "LOL Alabama, Florida and LSU will crush the Tigers, good luck!", but that argument misses the point.

If Mizzou can maintain their recruiting in the SEC, then there's no reason why things can't come together every once in a while for a conference championship.

My argument is that you will likely fail in the SEC, not because the teams are tough, but because you'll be one of the last SEC options, whereas you are currently the 3rd or 4th Big 12 option.

There is no way to scientifically prove that, so I guess we'll have to come back in 2021 and revisit what happened.

Your argument makes no sense and is built on hyperbole.

You said our Texas recruiting will suffer because we won't play in Texas nearly as often, but didn't respond when I pointed out that we would go from 1 game on average in TX to 0.5 games.

You said proximity matters, but didn't respond when I pointed out that Columbia is closer to many deep south locales than Houston, a huge recruiting area for us.

You've clearly have built into your head that Mizzou will fail miserably in SEC recruiting to help you cope. Do your thing.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $796966	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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mnchiefsguy MVP Join Date: Dec 2003 Casino cash: $2356206	I think the KU fans in this thread are no longer afraid of Mizzou leaving because it will break up the BIG XII....but instead deep down they know there might a possibility that Mizzou football might just move to the next level. I think the thought of a competitive Mizzou fighting for an SEC divisional title year in year out with national exposure drives them crazy. If Mizzou can't hack it in the SEC, then bottom line, they weren't going to hack it in the BIG XII either. At least Mizzou will have taken a chance at being something special, and competing in the elite football conference in college football. The KU fans are like the fans on here that are afraid for the Chiefs to draft a qb because it might be a bust. The Mizzou fans are the ones that are saying draft the guy, and take a shot, knowing that it might fail. I think Mizzou fans are comfortable with taking that chance.
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\|Zach\| For The Glory Of The City Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $4286768	LSU's former recruiting coordinator was brought to Missouri 3 years ago. He will be someone to lean on I imagine.
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