Call Your Shot: Who will be the Chiefs first pick in the 2025 NFL draft?

[staylor26]

I'm going with Josh Simmons, OT, Ohio St.

I think the Chiefs would prefer a guy like Walter Nolen or Derrick Harmon falls into their lap, but I don't think that happens next Thursday night, or at least I'm not going to get me hopes up.

A lot of people will not like this pick, due to the injury risk, but the Chiefs take a swing at a T that otherwise would never be in that late 1st round range.

Side note: I could also see Josh Conerly being the pick and could've just as easily chose him. Upside isn't as high, but he's probably safer given his health.

[O.city]

Yeah, if I'm to get on board with a RB in the first, you're gonna need him to be elite to be more valuable than even a what.....good DE?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SHOWTIME

Maybe his injury is a partial tear and not nearly as bad. Sorry, but I'd rather go with what the doctor's say than some guy on CP.



https://atozsports.com/college-footb...-josh-simmons/

Oh.

Well if you can't trust Simmons and his people, who can you trust...right?

The 'very detailed update' contained 30 seconds of actual information, all of which was secondhand and FROM Josh Simmons. Wow - so detailed.

Dudes are never optimistic, evasive and/or flat out dishonest during draft-season...

I repeat -- he's squatting 225 lbs right now. A month after that report, 225 lbs was what he was squatting after she raved about all the leg work he was doing in early March.

That's not "Trusting some guy on CP". It's simply putting facts to figures. Right now, as of the date of the draft, he's doing his squats on 1 leg. ****ing bang-up reporting from Stacy Dales there -- she obviously nailed it back in early March.

If you believe that's indicative of anything....well like I said, all the Simmons backers have right now is hope.

[RunKC]

This is one of the most important drafts in Veach’s tenure. I get people say this every year but this is actually true this year.

Kelce is leaving soon. Chris will be declining soon. The 2022 draft window is closing.

This is really gonna be a draft of philosophy. Are the Chiefs going to continue being a defensive led team or will they go back to scoring again and having a competent defense?

Nobody loves Derrick Harmon more than me. I got a chub from that guy a week before the combine. But there are very good DT’s in rd 2 and 3. There will also be very good DE’s there too.

The defense today as it stands pre-draft is good. The draft itself is deep in our areas of need. The offense is not good and we’ve had issues with playmakers while our best one is about to ride off into the sunset.

I’m all in on Burden or a WR they love. I’m all in on Mason Taylor if they pick him. The drop between talent at 31 to 63 at those positions is pretty damn big, and this is coming from a Jalen Royals promoter.

They badly need to get this offense fixed. And if the board runs dry and you’re stuck with TreVeyon Henderson there, it would be a great pick bc he is head and shoulders above the rest of this class outside of Jeanty and would be a perfect fit here.

They have to help the offense. Help your QB. Stop relying on him to carry old, washed or bad football players every year.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by SAGA45

Jonathan Taylor would be a more apt bar and realm of expectation for Henderson in that regard.

Taylor was a better runner coming out than Henderson.

[SHOWTIME]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh.

Well if you can't trust Simmons and his people, who can you trust...right?

The 'very detailed update' contained 30 seconds of actual information, all of which was secondhand and FROM Josh Simmons. Wow - so detailed.

Dudes are never optimistic, evasive and/or flat out dishonest during draft-season...

I repeat -- he's squatting 225 lbs right now. A month after that report, 225 lbs was what he was squatting after she raved about all the leg work he was doing in early March.

That's not "Trusting some guy on CP". It's simply putting facts to figures. Right now, as of the date of the draft, he's doing his squats on 1 leg. ****ing bang-up reporting from Stacy Dales there -- she obviously nailed it back in early March.

If you believe that's indicative of anything....well like I said, all the Simmons backers have right now is hope.

If the Chiefs doctors are ok with him, then I'm fine with Simmons. I'm sure Veach is not going to just rely on him and his agent in evaluating his medicals.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This is one of the most important drafts in Veach’s tenure. I get people say this every year but this is actually true this year.

Kelce is leaving soon. Chris will be declining soon. The 2022 draft window is closing.

This is really gonna be a draft of philosophy. Are the Chiefs going to continue being a defensive led team or will they go back to scoring again and having a competent defense?

Nobody loves Derrick Harmon more than me. I got a chub from that guy a week before the combine. But there are very good DT’s in rd 2 and 3. There will also be very good DE’s there too.

The defense today as it stands pre-draft is good. The draft itself is deep in our areas of need. The offense is not good and we’ve had issues with playmakers while our best one is about to ride off into the sunset.

I’m all in on Burden or a WR they love. I’m all in on Mason Taylor if they pick him. The drop between talent at 31 to 63 at those positions is pretty damn big, and this is coming from a Jalen Royals promoter.

They badly need to get this offense fixed. And if the board runs dry and you’re stuck with TreVeyon Henderson there, it would be a great pick bc he is head and shoulders above the rest of this class outside of Jeanty and would be a perfect fit here.

They have to help the offense. Help your QB. Stop relying on him to carry old, washed or bad football players every year.

I could not agree more. In a defensive draft, I think our focus needs to be on the offense. Get us explosive playmakers at WR, RB, and TE, which for TEs, may come with spending your 1st on. IMO there are 4 TEs that move the needle. Go get one. Henderson and Burden/Egbuka would also be hard to walk away from as well.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Taylor was a better runner coming out than Henderson.

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This is one of the most important drafts in Veach’s tenure. I get people say this every year but this is actually true this year.

Kelce is leaving soon. Chris will be declining soon. The 2022 draft window is closing.

This is really gonna be a draft of philosophy. Are the Chiefs going to continue being a defensive led team or will they go back to scoring again and having a competent defense?

Nobody loves Derrick Harmon more than me. I got a chub from that guy a week before the combine. But there are very good DT’s in rd 2 and 3. There will also be very good DE’s there too.

The defense today as it stands pre-draft is good. The draft itself is deep in our areas of need. The offense is not good and we’ve had issues with playmakers while our best one is about to ride off into the sunset.

I’m all in on Burden or a WR they love. I’m all in on Mason Taylor if they pick him. The drop between talent at 31 to 63 at those positions is pretty damn big, and this is coming from a Jalen Royals promoter.

They badly need to get this offense fixed. And if the board runs dry and you’re stuck with TreVeyon Henderson there, it would be a great pick bc he is head and shoulders above the rest of this class outside of Jeanty and would be a perfect fit here.

They have to help the offense. Help your QB. Stop relying on him to carry old, washed or bad football players every year.

Regardless what we do Rice and Worthy are our playmakers. The offense is going to be as good as those guys are. Veech has it set up so if there is a impact player available he can take him. Whether offense or defense.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

And by the way, if you want that TYPE of player, but don't want that level of volume, could I interest you in DJ Giddens?

I think if you're looking for a guy who just does McKinnon stuff but who you have no realistic expectation of giving 200+ carries to, just get Giddens in the 4th round.

Not because I think he is incapable of taking on about the same load as Henderson (he's not a tiny guy), but because your investment in him is so much less that you won't feel compelled to force said volume to justify the investment.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah -- I think Breece Hall may be more of a comp?

Was taken around pick 35, IIRC. Very early 2nd. More of an explosive offensive weapon type than a pure 'conventional' 3-down back.

And yeah, I think if you take a RB in the 1st, I don't think that's an unreasonable baseline for him.

Hall put up essentially 1,000 yards rushing and 600 yards receiving in 2023 behind a solid but unspectacular OL (and with obvious QB questions). Did roughly the same rates on lower usage in 2024.

I think you can reasonably ask for 1,500-1,600 yards from scrimmage and 275ish touches (rushing and receiving) from a 1st round RB.

And if you don't think he can give you that, or that you won't ASK him to give you that, you probably shouldn't be looking at Henderson in the 1st.

Kareem Hunt was asked to do more or less that in 2017 and 2018 before he got the boot for being a reerun. So Reid will give the right guy that workload.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Regardless what we do Rice and Worthy are our playmakers. The offense is going to be as good as those guys are. Veech has it set up so if there is a impact player available he can take him. Whether offense or defense.

With how Andy has handled rookie WR's the past 2 seasons, you'd expect much the same of a ramp up during the season if they draft a WR. Its not a bad thing, but instant production isn't likely. If they draft an elite back, its the quickest shot in the arm to elevate the offense, help the O-line, and it doesn't have to come via the first round.

[Warpaint69]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And by the way, if you want that TYPE of player, but don't want that level of volume, could I interest you in DJ Giddens?

I think if you're looking for a guy who just does McKinnon stuff but who you have no realistic expectation of giving 200+ carries to, just get Giddens in the 4th round.

Not because I think he is incapable of taking on about the same load as Henderson (he's not a tiny guy), but because your investment in him is so much less that you won't feel compelled to force said volume to justify the investment.

My only qualm with Gidden's is he's a similar player to Pop.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Warpaint69

My only qualm with Gidden's is he's a similar player to Pop. They tested very similarly and they both don't have that change of direction quick twich/burst.

My issue with Pop isn't the change of direction.

Hunt's wasn't spectacular.

It's the vision. Hunt was able to set up a block then hit a gap hard to get through, absorb a bit of contact and maintain his momentum while fighting for yards.

Pop just...doesn't see the hole. Or won't bother to set up a block.

Giddens seems better in that regard. If you average out the speed/vision of Pop and Hunt, you probably end up with something similar to Giddens. He won't have the vision of Hunt, but it'll be better than Pop. He'll be faster than Hunt but maybe won't carry quite the same load that Pacheco does.

The issue with Hunt and Pacheco is that both guys are so deficient in a single area (Pacheco's vision and Hunts burst) that neither guy presents a viable starting RB, IMO. Giddens doesn't have the glaring deficiencies in either of those areas.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This is one of the most important drafts in Veach’s tenure. I get people say this every year but this is actually true this year.

Kelce is leaving soon. Chris will be declining soon. The 2022 draft window is closing.

This is really gonna be a draft of philosophy. Are the Chiefs going to continue being a defensive led team or will they go back to scoring again and having a competent defense?

Nobody loves Derrick Harmon more than me. I got a chub from that guy a week before the combine. But there are very good DT’s in rd 2 and 3. There will also be very good DE’s there too.

The defense today as it stands pre-draft is good. The draft itself is deep in our areas of need. The offense is not good and we’ve had issues with playmakers while our best one is about to ride off into the sunset.

I’m all in on Burden or a WR they love. I’m all in on Mason Taylor if they pick him. The drop between talent at 31 to 63 at those positions is pretty damn big, and this is coming from a Jalen Royals promoter.

They badly need to get this offense fixed. And if the board runs dry and you’re stuck with TreVeyon Henderson there, it would be a great pick bc he is head and shoulders above the rest of this class outside of Jeanty and would be a perfect fit here.

They have to help the offense. Help your QB. Stop relying on him to carry old, washed or bad football players every year.

Perfectly stated on all topics. For me, the answer is absolutely clear; you go balls deep on offensive talent in this draft. Right now, you have a top 10 defense without adding a single player. Hell, I'd argue we've already improved pretty significantly from last year. Adding Fulton allows McDuffie and Connor to move to their more natural positions, basically improving three crucial spots on D with one signing. You added Mike Edwards to help with the loss of Reid. The D is already pretty much set to roll.

I have had enough of watching the best QB in history try and scrape by with rejects and has beens. Yes, you have Worthy, Rice, Hollywood and Juju locked down, but there are still a lot of questions with 3 of those 4 guys injury wise, and Worthy could get snapped like a twig with one big hit as well. Don't even get me started on what we've provided as far as a running back room for him. We have a chance to possibly have the most complete roster of this entire dynasty if you add some real firepower on offense. With Rice and Worthy on rookie deals, if you add a workhorse back and replacement for Kelce (or another WR) you have stacked the deck for Pat for the next 3-4 years. It needs to be the priority. I'm fully focusing there in rounds 1 and 2, then use the two 3rds to add to the d-line and/or safety.

It will be interesting to see if they stick with the approach of BPA all the way, or if they recognize the opportunity to really grease the wheels to have an elite offense for the foreseeable future. I'm hoping they do.

[htismaqe]

I said it at the time he was drafted - Jonathan Taylor, like most Wisconsin RBs, had a lot of tread on his tires coming out of college b it shouldn't be surprising that he's injured a lot.