Let's Talk About the Eagles (Super Bowl 59 Discussion)

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We're headed back to the Ship and will try to be the first team to 3-peat in Super Bowl history!!! Chiefs open up as 1.5 favorites over the Eagles.

Discuss.


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[ThaVirus]

I remember our last regular season game against the Eagles back in 2023. Spags was sending corner blitzes relentlessly and they seemed to work really well.

I wonder how much of that we’ll see this time..

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Harder to do a lot of single high against AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith.

We'll mix some in, for sure. And we'll disguise everything we do. But if we try to do it too often they'll look to go over the top of it and both of those WRs have the speed and ability to make a mediocre Hurts throw look better than it is.

We're absolutely going to have to play our best game of the season. A B+ game probably doesn't get it done.

The good news is that this team has made a habit of playing its best in the Super Bowl.

It also seems like they play their best whenever they are facing elite competition. They'll barely beat Carolina, but give them some big, bad NFL stud team and they play great. I'll take it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Harder to do a lot of single high against AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith.

We'll mix some in, for sure. And we'll disguise everything we do. But if we try to do it too often they'll look to go over the top of it and both of those WRs have the speed and ability to make a mediocre Hurts throw look better than it is.

We're absolutely going to have to play our best game of the season. A B+ game probably doesn't get it done.

The good news is that this team has made a habit of playing its best in the Super Bowl.

You can see the upward trends in this team over the last month or so. Sunday's game was probably their best. They're going to beat the Eagles.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Harder to do a lot of single high against AJ Brown and DeVonta Smith.

We'll mix some in, for sure. And we'll disguise everything we do. But if we try to do it too often they'll look to go over the top of it and both of those WRs have the speed and ability to make a mediocre Hurts throw look better than it is.

We're absolutely going to have to play our best game of the season. A B+ game probably doesn't get it done.

The good news is that this team has made a habit of playing its best in the Super Bowl.

What makes me feel better about containing their offense is that their skill positions are extremely top heavy.

Barkley, Brown, and Smith are great players. No doubt. Goedert is solid, but remains a 500-800 yard TE. No better, no worse.

After that, they have basically all JAGs.

We all haven’t been shy about criticizing the Chiefs OL, but Mahomes took 36 sacks in 16 games compared to Hurts taking 38 in 15 games.

I don’t think that’s reflective of the OLs, but rather what happens when you make Hurts work for it. If he has to work through his reads to the 3rd and 4th options, he tends to take dumb sacks which likely has something to do with those lesser weapons not being anything special.

Limit the big plays. Make Hurts earn it. That’s the key IMO.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Really?

Man, i just don't see that.

Carter is a legit stud. Davis is a very good NT. Williams has made himself a TON of money this year and has been extremely good in his own right. Baun and Smith have taken significant steps forward. Sweat has been about the same guy he's been for a half-decade, a really nice complementary pass rusher. Both of their rookie DBs have been excellent for them in Mitchell and DeJean. Slay isn't what he was but he's still solid.

Their safeties are average (especially if bad CJGJ shows up; if the good version shows up, the safeties are strong as well) and losing Dean has put Burks into the starting lineup and he's a little bit of a weak spot. But the depth on that defense is really really good. They just don't have a true weakness on that side of the ball.

That's a REALLY talented defense.

What I’m most interested in seeing is how Mitchell, Dejean and Baun perform. They have been amazing this season but two rookies and a guy who was a career backup/special teamer going against Mahomes and Andy Reid? If we play the way we want to, Andy and Kelce are going to have those dudes in a blender.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Really?

Man, i just don't see that.

Carter is a legit stud. Davis is a very good NT. Williams has made himself a TON of money this year and has been extremely good in his own right. Baun and Smith have taken significant steps forward. Sweat has been about the same guy he's been for a half-decade, a really nice complementary pass rusher. Both of their rookie DBs have been excellent for them in Mitchell and DeJean. Slay isn't what he was but he's still solid.

Their safeties are average (especially if bad CJGJ shows up; if the good version shows up, the safeties are strong as well) and losing Dean has put Burks into the starting lineup and he's a little bit of a weak spot. But the depth on that defense is really really good. They just don't have a true weakness on that side of the ball.

That's a REALLY talented defense.

They have a lot of good players but not one player on that defense, even Carter, scares me as much as Von Miller, who was only 30 at the time.

The talent on that defense is much much worse than the previous SB. They had 4 “good” at worst pass rushers. Reddick was elite that year. They had 60 sacks total.

I do like Quinyon a ton and DeJean looks promising, but man that front 7 is not very good.

I think Mahomes is gonna have a lot of time to throw the ball

[ThaVirus]

Slay kind of reminds me of Bashaud Breeland. He’s a crafty vet.

He will win some reps based on experience but I don’t think he has the speed to run with our young guys. If he finds himself lining up across from Worthy and Hollywood consistently, it’ll be a rough night for him.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They have a lot of good players but not one player on that defense, even Carter, scares me as much as Von Miller, who was only 30 at the time.

The talent on that defense is much much worse than the previous SB. They had 4 “good” at worst pass rushers and Reddick.

I do like Quinyon a ton and DeJean looks promising, but man that front 7 is not very good.

I think Mahomes is gonna have a lot of time to throw the ball

Im hopeful their rookie DBs struggle like ours did in the first Super Bowl matchup between these teams.

That was a day to forget for McDuffie and company.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by wazu

It also seems like they play their best whenever they are facing elite competition. They'll barely beat Carolina, but give them some big, bad NFL stud team and they play great. I'll take it.

Oh no question.

It's far better than the Lions approach of beating the shit out of rummies only to step on your dicks in the post-season.

I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think they'll play their best ball of the season this weekend. And this is still an Eagles team that really could've lost to the Rams but/for the snow.

The Eagles CAN be beaten.

But we're gonna have to earn it. I think the best team emerged from the NFC and that's not always how it goes.

I think this Eagles team is better than the 2022 Eagles squad. The offense is almost entirely the same apart from Jurgens for Kelce (lateral move really) and Saquon for Sanders. I think the defense has gotten better with their additions at CB and Carter/Davis ascending and being even better than the 2022 versions of Hargrave/Cox.

And I thought that 2022 Eagles team was the best team we've played during this Mahomes run.

[nychief]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They have a lot of good players but not one player on that defense, even Carter, scares me as much as Von Miller, who was only 30 at the time.

The talent on that defense is much much worse than the previous SB. They had 4 “good” at worst pass rushers. Reddick was elite that year. They had 60 sacks total.

I do like Quinyon a ton and DeJean looks promising, but man that front 7 is not very good.

I think Mahomes is gonna have a lot of time to throw the ball

Has there been a single game this season where Patrick has had a TON of time to throw the ball?


I think we need to respect this eagles Defense and prepare for street fight. Fangio has always been tough, I know we alway beat him, but he was hired by the Eagles for one game and one game only - this game.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by nychief

Has there been a single game this season where Patrick has had a TON of time to throw the ball?


I think we need to respect this eagles Defense and prepare for street fight. Fangio has always been tough, I know we alway beat him, but he was hired by the Eagles for one game and one game only - this game.

You'd think if they hired a DC for this specific matchup, they would have picked someone that wasn't 0-8 vs Mahomes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

They have a lot of good players but not one player on that defense, even Carter, scares me as much as Von Miller, who was only 30 at the time.

The talent on that defense is much much worse than the previous SB. They had 4 “good” at worst pass rushers. Reddick was elite that year. They had 60 sacks total.

I do like Quinyon a ton and DeJean looks promising, but man that front 7 is not very good.

I think Mahomes is gonna have a lot of time to throw the ball

Man I think you're WILDLY underestimating some of these guys. I think you're really hand-waiving the development from Smith and ESPECIALLY the contributions from Williams this year. I think you're gonna be shocked when someone gives him $17+ million/season this offseason.

Cox was very much on the decline at that point. They play more base 3-4 than that team did so a 1 for 1 review doesn't work terribly well, but a guy like Milton Williams is absolutely as good as Hargrave was that year, IMO. Nolan Smith has been improving all season and I think already has 4 sacks this post-season.

You can really only try to compare box 7s due to their formation changes but I think Carter, Davis, Smith, Williams, Baun, Sweat and Burks is absolutely comparable to Reddick, Hargrave, Cox, Sweat, Joseph, Edwards and Kyzir White.

And I think this defensive backfield is significantly better than the 2022 version.

[dmahurin]

Rule 12. Section 1 - Blocking, Use Of Hands And Arms

Article 4. Assisting The Runner And Interlocking Interference
No offensive player may:

C) push or throw his body against a teammate to aid him in an attempt to obstruct an opponent or to recover a loose ball.



Depending on what the rule means by "attempt to obstruct an opponent", wouldn't this mean the tush push is a penalty of aiding the runner? The enforcement of aiding the runner would be:

Penalty: For assisting the runner, interlocking interference, or illegal use of hands, arms, or body by the offense: Loss of 10 yards.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

What I’m most interested in seeing is how Mitchell, Dejean and Baun perform. They have been amazing this season but two rookies and a guy who was a career backup/special teamer going against Mahomes and Andy Reid? If we play the way we want to, Andy and Kelce are going to have those dudes in a blender.

Maybe I'm giving Baun too much credit because I liked him in the draft and thought the Saints were just kinda wasting him.

I mean I didn't see 1st Team All Pro coming, but I absolutely thought he'd develop into a quality NFL starting LBer.

So perhaps I should be discounting him more than I am based on a few years of mediocrity in NOLA, but I think he's a very talented player who's finally been allowed to demonstrate that in Philly.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

Do I hear Patrick Mahomes vs. #1 Overall Defense?

These tend to be fun games.