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Old 04-17-2017, 02:02 PM  
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Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1
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... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:54 AM   #376
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That also wouldn't be a 'drop' though; like White. If anything, taking White or Davis at 27 would be a bit of a reach, but one made knowing that neither of them will be available for you later. You don't do it with White because there are too many alternatives.

But if Dorsey thinks Davis is a 3-down backer (he might be), I guess you could justify taking him there. It would not be a pick I'm excited about, but I'd deal...I guess.

I figured he meant Corey Davis, who would be a genuine 'drop' if he fell to 27. More likely would be Ross and he'd be a nice get there as well.
I missed the whole drop part. My bad.

Matt Miller reported that Jarrad Davis to Oakland is picking up steam. I have no doubt he's a 3 down LB. If you want to be sold on him, I'd watch some 2015 tape where he was healthy all year. There's a reason us Florida guys on CP love him!
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:00 AM   #377
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If Webb is your guy, you take him at 27 so you have the 5th year option. **** having to trade up in the 2nd while only getting 4 years.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:02 AM   #378
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I'm just not sold he's a franchise qb, so I'd lessen the blow by getting a legit olayer in the first and a potential qb in the 2nd.

It's probably still worth the risk of him panning out, taking him in the first, but I'm nervous about passing up so many good players
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:09 AM   #379
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I'm just not sold he's a franchise qb, so I'd lessen the blow by getting a legit olayer in the first and a potential qb in the 2nd.

It's probably still worth the risk of him panning out, taking him in the first, but I'm nervous about passing up so many good players
Don't get me wrong I'd be scared as shit myself, but I don't think Dorsey/Reid go with a QB in the first 2 rounds that they're not extremely confident in.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:11 AM   #380
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I'm just not sold he's a franchise qb, so I'd lessen the blow by getting a legit olayer in the first and a potential qb in the 2nd.

It's probably still worth the risk of him panning out, taking him in the first, but I'm nervous about passing up so many good players
You're getting a legit player in the 2nd of this draft as well.

So really, there's no upshot to using that 2nd on Webb as well as the cost of the trade-up, just so you can shell game that pick a bit. If you like him well enough to trade up for him in the 2nd, just use your first on him.

Or take Chad Kelly in the 5th. **** if I know, man. This is a weird draft.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:19 AM   #381
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I dunno. I think if I'm gonna trade up, it'd be for Trubisky or Mahomes and I'm not sure but what Trubisky doesn't end up as an Alex Smith ish QB. Atleast with Mahomes he has the big arm and the upside.

The more I see of this stuff, the more I'm fine with sitting at 27 and seeing what happens. If one falls to say 24, sure I'd flip a 3rd to go get him. But more likely, I'm sitting at 27 and taking whoever is there that I like.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:23 AM   #382
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I dunno. I think if I'm gonna trade up, it'd be for Trubisky or Mahomes and I'm not sure but what Trubisky doesn't end up as an Alex Smith ish QB. Atleast with Mahomes he has the big arm and the upside.

The more I see of this stuff, the more I'm fine with sitting at 27 and seeing what happens. If one falls to say 24, sure I'd flip a 3rd to go get him. But more likely, I'm sitting at 27 and taking whoever is there that I like.
I'm just happy I get to sit back and bitch loudly about whatever happens.

If Mahomes falls to 27 and we pass on him, I'll burn buildings down. But that's not going to happen. A) He won't fall and B) we won't pass if he does. So we're safe there.

But that's literally the only 'sunshine and lollypops' scenario. Everything else is taking someone like Webb or Kizer, IMO, a little too early. Or paying dearly to move up and grab Mahomes. Or {shudder} dooming ourselves to another season of Alex Smith and/or another 5 seasons of younger versions of the same schlock.

And it ain't. my. job. And man am I glad that's the case. Because there's a whole lot of landmines for Dorsey this year and whatever he does, a whole lotta people are probably gonna be pissed. Just a nasty draft to figure out.
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Atleast the younger versions are cheaper. I guess. I dunno.
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Old 04-20-2017, 11:29 AM   #384
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Davis Webb has about 3 years experience, appears to have all the intangibles and has the same elite arm as Mahomes. Add to that he's 6'5 230 goddamn pounds.

The potential upside of both him and Kizer is the same as Lynch last year. Guys like that that are pumped as 1st rd talents are never available that late.
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Webbs injury history scares me a little. Shoulder surgery and ankle surgery.

I also guess I blocked out that he was at Tech and Mahomes beat him out after the injuries.
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Has there ever been a draft that literally nobody knows if any QBs will go in the first round or if 5 go in the first round?
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Davis Webb has about 3 years experience, appears to have all the intangibles and has the same elite arm as Mahomes. Add to that he's 6'5 230 goddamn pounds.

The potential upside of both him and Kizer is the same as Lynch last year. Guys like that that are pumped as 1st rd talents are never available that late.
And if I had to choose between the two of them I am taking Kizer.

Webb strikes me as a kid who has worked for everything he has got, which is fantastic, but I think there is a definite ceiling to his development. He is less athletic than Kizer and is somewhat of a statue in the pocket. Webb reminds me a lot of a slightly more accurate Nick Foles. Kizer is a more athletic, less accurate version of Carson Palmer.

The only thing that really bugs me about Kizer is his character make up. He comes off as being a bit phony. Maybe sitting and learning for a while will clue him in to how to be a pro. Webb oozes confidence, but can he back it up?
I also like what Kizer has shown on the whiteboard with coaches during this draft process. He is definitely more acclimated to verbiage and pro concepts compared to these air raid guys.

Mahomes is my wish.
Kizer is my consolation prize.
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I'm just not a fan of Kizer, I don't really like guys with potential character issues at QB. It's worked out before obviously but we'll see.
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Don't get me wrong I'd be scared as shit myself, but I don't think Dorsey/Reid go with a QB in the first 2 rounds that they're not extremely confident in.
but they were confident in Smiff, so wtf do they really know?
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I'm just not a fan of Kizer, I don't really like guys with potential character issues at QB. It's worked out before obviously but we'll see.
I'm not a Kizer fan either. Would rather have Davis Webb. For as big as Webb is, he moves like a smaller man imo.
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