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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
IT ****ING HAPPENED
OP UPDATE: Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! Last edited by Dante84; 05-17-2017 at 09:40 AM.. |
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That was the timing route I was referring to in another thread. JWat doesn’t come back, which is why the INT happens. That wasn’t on Pat.
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There is only so many times a QB can make chicken salad out of chicken sh**. Is he playing great? No. But, I would like to know who could possibly do better with these types of receivers. All the D needs to do is double Kelce. Nobody else gets open.
I know we won the SB last year..But with hindsight, maybe we should have paid Tyreek. He is a once in a lifetime type receiver that makes life easier for everyone. |
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Have been wondering if Mahomes is playing with an upper body injury. Maybe not sore enough to be on the list, but enough to zap some his velocity?
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Yeah he’s shell shocked, frustrated, and hesitant. It’s not rocket science. It’s only a lazy take because it’s so glaringly obvious. |
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Pat is amazing but he's not without his weaknesses. All QBs get rattled by pressure, especially pressure early in the game. Alot of times Pat will thrive under pressure, but when he doesn't, he REALLY gets rattled and get in his own head and he can't seem to snap out of it mid game.
And instead of seeing ghosts and getting rid of the ball asap, Pat sees ghosts and holds on to the ball for forever and bails clean pockets to try and engineer an easier, higher % throw out of structure instead of just taking what's there in structure. I think he starts to press and gets sped up going through reads and bails too early. And yes, the WRs are terrible and the OTs are average at best and have many games where they're garbage, so it's tough to run a high volume straight drop back passing offense with little help from the run game and play action passing. And while it definitely is better and smarter to throw to open windows rather than tight windows, and open receivers more than contested (especially with our last in the league in contested catch % receivers per usual), I still think Pat doesn't attempt as many tight window throws as he should with the arm talent he has, ESPECIALLY this year when our receivers have trouble getting separation consistently. Instead of rifling a throw into a tight window in structure, Pat will pass it up and leave the pocket to find a higher % throw into an open window instead. With Pat, it's usually smart to do that, especially with the type of receivers we've had, but that hasn't been the case as much this year. I also think it has alot to do with Andy never liking his QBs making low % throws and coaching it out of them some. It's just his offensive philosophy. That's why you don't see contested catch guys in his offenses and it's why you don't see his QBs throwing lower % throws deep down the sideline or into tighter windows as much as other offenses. I think it becomes more of a problem when Pat gets rattled though as he becomes hesitant and lacks the confidence in himself it seems to make those throws with the perfect ball placement. While Pat's accuracy is very good, his ball placement isn't a huge strength of his. It suffers some because of how he plays and because his footwork isn't great because of how he plays. So when he gets rattled, I think he not only doesn't have a ton of confidence in his receivers or OTs, but he loses his confidence in his ball placement too and doesn't want to put the ball in harms way in tighter windows in structure. Every QB has weaknesses, and I think those are Mahomes'. And because he has nothing around him really, it's showing up more this season.
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Look at Patrick's face man. Nobody on this offense but Kelce makes catches for him and he knows it.
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Until Mahomes starts threatening opposing defenses with his feet, he's going to be owned in the pocket, and not to his fault when his WR's can't get any separation or catch the ball. |
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We have catch and run players and we tripled down on this. And that worked before because the scheme made it easy last year for these guys to get easy catches with reasonable space. But they’re not good when these guys have to do elementary school work to create before the catch. Running good routes, reading the defense, finishing routes, adjusting to the ball, and fighting to get the contested catch. I think it’s fair to say all our WRs not named rice aren’t just bad, they’re very bad to terrible on these things. And even rice for all the great he’s done makes plenty of mistakes in these areas too. |
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No. The wind was not a factor. It was actually good football weather.
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On that type of throw, it has to be like a little curl and comeback from the receiver. Why in the world does Watson jump backwards? Hell, why does he even jump at all? |
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Watson is one of my most hated Chiefs. Dude is absolutely garage all the time. |
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Mahomes looks so broken. This is just terrible for even an average QB.
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It's to the point where if they're making these mistakes consistently, it's just time to throw out the whole options concept for this offense and just run a standard offense with dedicated routes. There will still be adjustments for depth and that kind of thing, but no more having the WRs and TEs have to read the defense and figure out what route they should run. Either just run the play as called or wait for Patrick to tell you to change your route. |
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an offseason with actual WR talent should cure a lot of this
15 ****ing games of not knowing who to trust
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My God this was such a good playcall. They had the Raiders. Look how wide open Kelce was.
If they didn't **** this handoff up it's an easy huge gain. Like probably 40+. Ugh
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