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Old 01-19-2020, 07:03 PM  
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Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)
Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:35 AM   #3871
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That game is irrelevant.

No Tyreek, no Sammy, no Fisher, No Wiz at LG. Pat’s ankle was hurt.

The Titans tried playing zone against Pat and he destroyed them. Even with a quality rush, Pat is buying time to extend plays to 4-5 seconds. He constantly gives himself more time to see the holes and let guys move to get open.

Pat is too talented and smart. He knows who is going to have the favorable matchup pre-snap. If that’s taken away, he’ll buy time.
A little bit, yes. But it's proof of a viable concept. Yeah, it required injury to do it, but it proved that if you CAN do it because you have more talent available than the Colts did (the 49ers do), it can work.

I'm not saying I'd expect that kind of performance if the 49ers were trotting Kemoko Turay out there against Fisher like the Colts were against Erving. I'm saying that the 49ers have enough of a talent upgrade on the Colts to partially offset the talent upgrade the Chiefs have seen with the return of injured players.

And I will again note that Patrick Mahomes probably played the best football game I've ever SEEN last Sunday against TN. And as I said earlier in this thread, if he plays like that again, this isn't a game. Nobody will beat him when he's playing with complete command of everything like he was in that game. The TN zones actually worked really damn well - Mahomes just never made a mistake or even a decision/throw that wasn't textbook.

But to make any of this discussion worth having we have to assume that Mahomes plays merely good football (in the highest pressure situation of his life) as opposed to God-level. Because if he plays at God level, this shit is all moot. Yeah, he picked apart TN's zone because he was simply locked. My question is what happens if he's merely very good?

That's when the 9ers scheme could create some headaches.

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Yeah, but can they do it all game, against Mahomes?

Even if they come out early and hold strong, 15 is pretty good at finding a way.
Probably not. Like I said - everyone will get theirs.

It's always a question of making things a slog until a critical mistake is made.
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:38 AM   #3872
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The 49ers basically played their perfect game against the Packers. They’re going to have to do it again against us to be able to win.
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:42 AM   #3873
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The 49ers basically played their perfect game against the Packers. They’re going to have to do it again against us to be able to win.
And that still required the Packers to shit their pants.
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Old 01-28-2020, 10:46 AM   #3874
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The 49ers basically played their perfect game against the Packers. They’re going to have to do it again against us to be able to win.
I know Davis didn't ultimately have a huge game, but I'm still damn nervous by how overmatched Breeland was against him for most of that outing. And how slow our LBs can be to diagnose and recover.

Deebo and Kittle could really **** us up in ways that the Titans were just ill-equipped to be able to do. And before that game is over we will all yell at some point "Why the hell aren't we covering Juszczyk!!!!" because Shanahan does some really interesting stuff with him as well and he spends a weird amount of time out there in space. I know the numbers don't support it but he really can do damage out there.

That's not to say that Shanahan wouldn't prefer to just run for 250 yards and coast to a win. But I don't think it's the only card they have to play.
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Teams that have a top 10 offensive line in pass protection average 30 points against the 49ers defense. The Chiefs are ranked #5.
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Your analysis the last couple of days has been 100% spot on, brother.
Don't give him any more confidence. He's already unbearable to deal with.
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I know Davis didn't ultimately have a huge game, but I'm still damn nervous by how overmatched Breeland was against him for most of that outing. And how slow our LBs can be to diagnose and recover.

Deebo and Kittle could really **** us up in ways that the Titans were just ill-equipped to be able to do. And before that game is over we will all yell at some point "Why the hell aren't we covering Juszczyk!!!!" because Shanahan does some really interesting stuff with him as well and he spends a weird amount of time out there in space. I know the numbers don't support it but he really can do damage out there.

That's not to say that Shanahan wouldn't prefer to just run for 250 yards and coast to a win. But I don't think it's the only card they have to play.
Oh don’t get me wrong.....the 49ers have weapons everywhere. It’s not a matter of shutting down that offense. It’s a matter of stops and FGs like you said.
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The thing the 9ers can do, similar to what those Giants teams that beat the Pats could do, is drop 7 and create havoc with 4 up front. That's when things get tough.

If they can't get pressure, they'll get carved up similar to what will happen to the Chiefs if they can't slow down the run game.
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The Chiefs run concepts like this all the time...
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Re-watching some of the Colts game still has me a tick nervous.

Beating a zone is really easy when someone makes a mistake and often teams will. But man, if you have smart, responsible zone defenders and 4 linemen that can get there in under 3 seconds, those zones (especially the Cover 3s, IMO) can be awfully damn difficult to deal with.

And for all the talk about Mahomes legs of late - zone coverages kinda take those out of the equation as well. Mahomes is a smart runner but he's not a dynamic one - he's not gonna go creating yards against dudes that are facing him.

Saleh could hit all the right notes. That's the weird thing I've noticed about zone defenses over the years - they're oddly rhythm based. For whatever reason, they either seem to work really damn well or just completely fall apart. Either the DC has found the right keys in his game-planning and his guys are seeing them well, or it's swiss cheese.

If the 49ers zone comes out early and holds strong, that's the kind of snowball that can oftentimes turn into an avalanche.
Keep in mind that Mahomes was gimpy, Fisher was out and perhaps another one or two olinemen, not to mention the LG wasn't playing well (and has since been replaced with Wisnewski). Did Hill play in that game? I don't think he did. Actually, I think both he and Watkins were out in that game.
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