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Old 11-08-2023, 07:33 AM   #38341
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Idk. I’m not going to blame Pat there. Taylor completely ****s this pocket by letting the end cross his face and take out Trey Smith in the process, creating a completely free rush for the stunting pass rusher. That all breaks down in 2 seconds.

It’s going to be hard to keep your eyes up and hit your second, third read with defenders flashing in front of you like that.

EDIT: I suppose I don’t know what the protection call looked like so maybe Trey Smith shares some blame there as well. There’s a good chance of that by the look of it.
Muddy pockets happen. Aint' always gonna be a pasture back there.

On a stunt, I believe you're supposed to ride the stunter until the G takes over, Smith didn't stay parallel to the line so he got beat.
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Old 11-08-2023, 07:35 AM   #38342
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Maybe it's not a strict play calling issue as it is getting the offense ready during the week and game planning which is what the OCs job is on the team.
"O-Line! I owe you one!"

Andy said that after the game. He know that 3rd and 1 playcall was ours shit
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Old 11-08-2023, 07:45 AM   #38343
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Andy said that after the game. He know that 3rd and 1 playcall was ours shit
I agree. I'm speaking more on the offensive philosophy and it seeming like no one is in sync.
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Old 11-08-2023, 08:20 AM   #38344
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Perhaps some of it is another year of coaches studying the tendencies of the Chiefs; other people are paid to stop teams and this year, there are some really good defenses in the league.
Running the jet sweeps and those throws back up the middle behind the line that were money two years ago, don't work anymore. I'm assuming Andy will break out new plays in the playoffs this year.

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Love that fire and competiveness but part of the issue is his trust in his WR's. This is what he has to work with this year. You need to turn this WR chicken shit into winning a SB chicken salad. If you cant do it, no one can.
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Old 11-08-2023, 10:36 AM   #38345
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The difference is how they play.

Right now, Rice is making the most of his opportunities, but they're largely schemed. He's not blasting people with elite route running.

JuJu could run very good routes, and was larger. That allowed him to reel in five catches in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl to help us win it all.

Rice doesn't have that gear. The gears he does have right now are very promising, but that's not who he is -- yet.
This is working backwards from a conclusion you'd already reached.

This idea that JJSS wasn't 'schemed' into space is just nutty. Of course he was - why else do you think his depth of target was about 5 yards? They were absolutely scheming him into short areas and finding room for him.

You think Rice can't do that stuff? You think JJSS was out there 'blasting people with elite route running'? Of course he wasn't. Moreover, I've provided a half dozen examples already this season of Rice running a route in a way that CREATES the space and does so exactly when it needs to be there.

And JJSS was slightly larger but he damn sure wasn't any more physical than Rice is. Nor did he have a larger catch radius. You hand-waive Rice's production and simultaneously laud JJSS for his 5 targets in the SB, almost all of which came on a single drive when he was clearly targeted as part of a coordinated effort to attack a weakness the Philly defense had demonstrated. That's being schemed open, hoss.

JJSS, especially the lame version of him in the SB, was not better at ANYTHING than Rice presently is. It's just more excuse-making for 15.
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This is working backwards from a conclusion you'd already reached.

This idea that JJSS wasn't 'schemed' into space is just nutty. Of course he was - why else do you think his depth of target was about 5 yards? They were absolutely scheming him into short areas and finding room for him.

You think Rice can't do that stuff? You think JJSS was out there 'blasting people with elite route running'? Of course he wasn't. Moreover, I've provided a half dozen examples already this season of Rice running a route in a way that CREATES the space and does so exactly when it needs to be there.

And JJSS was slightly larger but he damn sure wasn't any more physical than Rice is. Nor did he have a larger catch radius. You hand-waive Rice's production and simultaneously laud JJSS for his 5 targets in the SB, almost all of which came on a single drive when he was clearly targeted as part of a coordinated effort to attack a weakness the Philly defense had demonstrated. That's being schemed open, hoss.

JJSS, especially the lame version of him in the SB, was not better at ANYTHING than Rice presently is. It's just more excuse-making for 15.
Yeah if they run the same plays for Rice that they ran for Juju and target him the same, Rice would end up with probably 300 more yards than Juju ended up with. Just don't get why they haven't.
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Name a more full of shit poster than Dirdckshun.

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Sorry but Rice isn't doing stuff like this. That's what we're missing.

This is JuJu either finding a hole in a zone or beating someone in man coverage.



















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this feels like a juju stat

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Sorry but Rice isn't doing stuff like this. That's what we're missing.

This is JuJu either finding a hole in a zone or beating someone in man coverage.
Excuse me one second while i guffaw.

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this feels like a juju stat
What was it with JuJu and before JuJu?

Could just as easily be a Mahomes stat.

Wasn't the "key" to slowing down the Chiefs when they had the best receiving corps they've had with Mahomes to drop 8 guys into zone?
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Rice isn't doing that stuff because Pat isn't targeting him. JuJu didn't do anything in those that Rice can't do.
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Rice isn't doing that stuff because Pat isn't targeting him. JuJu didn't do anything in those that Rice can't do.
I disagree wholeheartedly, or he'd be doing it.

It's pretty clear to me Rice doesn't have JuJu's knack for getting open against zone coverage right now, and he's not even getting targeted for those back shoulder throws.

JuJu is criminally underrated around here.
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Several of those passes are in very tight to non-existent windows.. much more about wanting (trusting) your receiver to make a play, and possibly JuJu's route running/being in the right spot than JuJu doing something to really be open.

It can also be tough to tell on that camera angle, of course.
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I disagree wholeheartedly, or he'd be doing it.

It's pretty clear to me Rice doesn't have JuJu's knack for getting open against zone coverage right now, and he's not even getting targeted for those back shoulder throws.

JuJu is criminally underrated around here.


The reason Rice saw the field so much week 1 despite being a rookie WR in Reid's offense is his ability to do just that.
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