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The force is strong with this one.
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#3753 |
Ain't no relax!
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Yup...
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One of those things affects the other. And Luke didn't kill him in his sleep. He didn't even try. He had a fleeting moment of weakness that he instantly regretted and it cost him.
I totally get not liking the movie for a lot of reasons. But I think getting hung up on this one thing is missing the point. But whatever. Obviously a lot of people agree with you. And nothing I say is going to change or sway that. |
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#3756 | |
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![]() He swung his ****ing lightsaber to end his life. Kylo had to block it. That's not a fleeting moment of weakness. That's attempted murder. It was stupid as hell, and did not belong in the story.
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That's Kylos twisted interpretation of it, isn't it? We saw the scene 3 times, and the 3rd was the actual one. That was the 2nd one.
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That was Kylo's bastardization, not the actual story.
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#3759 |
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Fish so ****ing wrong...
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Like I'm the only one to notice this and how it ruined the characterization of Luke. It was shit. The film took a perverse pleasure in shitting on the ideals of classic characters, just for a cheap gotcha moment.
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Luke was a dumb ideal driven kid. As he has grown both in experience and use of the force, he learned that blind ideals don't necessarily lead to utopia. He defeated the big bad and the galaxy is still mired in shit. He grew up, the world isn't black and white, good and evil, whatever. There are shades of gray, gradients, fringes. As such, he's jaded. The shit he did as a kid he doesn't do now. The shit he blindly believed as a kid he can't buy into now. It resonated with me. I was an overly idealized kid when I watched ANH. I've grown in experience in a similar ways. Some of my best laid plans have went to ****. I've poured my soul into shit and been soundly defeated (Like his Jedi temple). It worked for me. I get that most people hated it, but it should have worked. Look at some of the stuff Marvel has put out. Daredevil S2 with Punisher as the redeemable bad guy was the most successful TV series Marvel has done. Jessica Jones has a similar, but far less good character. The Purple Man was definitely a baddie, but when they dove into his backstory, there was definitely some empathy. Hell Barnes was all out good guy - bad guy - good guy in Captain America, which Winter Soldier and Civil War are universally heralded. House of Mouse has made damn good money by backing off the binary good and evil stories and dealing with more complex adult themes. Applying it to TLJ, it makes good sense. The younger fans could buy into the younger characters gallivanting on their ideals, and the older fools like me can relate to the journey the original trilogy characters have been on. All this while explaining how we got from ROtJ to TFA. I get that it went over like **** on a stick, but to say it is an approach without merit is simply being a butthurt fanboy. |
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I didn’t notice the woman angle. I guess it didn’t bother me.
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