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Old 04-23-2020, 10:09 PM  
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Old 07-07-2022, 10:26 AM   #3736
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Could argue he's been Dexter McCluster 2.0 at this point but with more speed and on a team with better QB'ing.
Yea you could certainly make that dumb argument.
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2nd round pick that's underwhelmed and hasn't improved much at the WR spot since his first year and has to be used in gadget type situations to get him the ball?

Seems to fit pretty well?
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2nd round pick that's underwhelmed and hasn't improved much at the WR spot since his first year and has to be used in gadget type situations to get him the ball?

Seems to fit pretty well?
First off, to say that Hardman is "faster" is an understatement. McCluster ran a ****ing 4.58. It's not even remotely close. In terms of speed, he's much closer to CEH than Hardman.

Also, McCluster was a flat out bust, unlike Hardman. Hardman has been a productive player from year 1 despite having target monsters in Hill and Kelce to contend with.

They're both 2nd round picks, and they're gadget guys in terms of their roles. The comparison ends there.
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And again, I think Hardman's play down the stretch was overshadowed by the disappointing end to our season as a team.

Even Andy has made it a point that they finally found a groove with him and he was playing his best football. If Mahomes doesn't miss him repeatedly in the 2nd half of the AFCCG, not only would we have been in the SB, Hardman would've been given a lot more credit for his play down the stretch.

Maybe that improvement we've been waiting on finally came, and we will see more of it this season.

I wouldn't be shocked if he's our leading receiver in 2022. He has as good of a shot as anybody. I don't necessarily expect it, but it's absolutely possible.
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First off, to say that Hardman is "faster" is an understatement. McCluster ran a ****ing 4.58. It's not even remotely close. In terms of speed, he's much closer to CEH than Hardman.

Also, McCluster was a flat out bust, unlike Hardman. Hardman has been a productive player from year 1 despite having target monsters in Hill and Kelce to contend with.

They're both 2nd round picks, and they're gadget guys in terms of their roles. The comparison ends there.
Yeah Hardman is 3x the player McCluster was.
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First off, to say that Hardman is "faster" is an understatement. McCluster ran a ****ing 4.58. It's not even remotely close. In terms of speed, he's much closer to CEH than Hardman.

Also, McCluster was a flat out bust, unlike Hardman. Hardman has been a productive player from year 1 despite having target monsters in Hill and Kelce to contend with.

They're both 2nd round picks, and they're gadget guys in terms of their roles. The comparison ends there.
Statistically, without looking id imagine they're pretty similar.

I've never been much of a Hardman hater as some here. He's been a nice player for the Chiefs. But he hasn't really improved much as a WR from year one to now.
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McCluster first 3 years:

989 rec yards 3 TDs

Hardman first 3 years:

1,791 rec yards 12 TDs


Damn near twice as many yards and 4 times the TDs. Hardman is also a Pro Bowl level returner.
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Statistically, without looking id imagine they're pretty similar.
Heh. Then either you're still undervaluing Hardman or way overvalued McCluster. Their production wasn't remotely similar.
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McCluster first 3 years:

989 rec yards 3 TDs

Hardman first 3 years:

1,791 rec yards 12 TDs


Damn near twice as many yards and 4 times the TDs. Hardman is also a Pro Bowl level returner.
Wasn't Dexter a pro bowl returner in 13?

He also had about 600 yards rushing as shitty as he was.

He was also playing with who at QB?
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Wasn't Dexter a pro bowl returner in 13?

He also had about 600 yards rushing as shitty as he was.

He was also playing with who at QB?
Yes, 500 of which came from his sophomore season when they tried to use him as a legit RB.

Here's a funny stat:

McCluster averaged 8.4 YPR

Hardman averages 14.2

But yea, basically the same guy!
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Yes, 500 of which came from his sophomore season when they tried to use him as a legit RB.

Here's a funny stat:

McCluster averaged 8.4 YPR

Hardman averages 14.2

But yea, basically the same guy!
No nuance allowed here huh?

Who was playing QB when Dexter was playing here?
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Will Hardman continue his McCluster path and move on after a single rookie contract?
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C'mon, McCluster sucked balls. The Chiefs were looking for Dante Hall 2.0, and ended up with Gary Coleman 2.0.
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Oh he definitely sucked.

I can't imagine anyone can look at what Hardmans done and think the Chiefs are happy with how it's gone so far though either.
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No nuance allowed here huh?

Who was playing QB when Dexter was playing here?
If we're talking nuance, their skill sets aren't even remotely the same.
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