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Montana behind a pristine line with a couple of premier weapons? Sure - I'd take that over Young. But with a spotty line and/or sub-average weapons? I'd prefer a guy in Young that I think can move around a bit, create some time/space/angles to make the play. There are situations where Montana's the clear play, but I don't know what my circumstances are here so I have to prepare for less than ideal spots. And ultimately I think Young is closer to Montana under ideal circumstances than Montana is to Young under less than ideal circumstances.
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And Montana simply didn't have the range of throwing abilities that Mahomes has or Young had. Yeah, Montana could clear out, buy a little time and make a throw - but not like Young could. And really, I think you have to combine eras to make a peak throwing Montana who's also mobile. It was in the mid-80s when he first hurt his back, right? That Giants hit that absolutely folded him. He didn't make his first All Pro team until '87 and I think that was a season or more after his back issues started and his mobility fell off. There just wasn't a time where Montana was a pristine passer AND an asset with his legs, IMO. He was a good passer with some mobility, then he was a physically limited wizard with the football.
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And Joe definitely didn't have the array of arm angles nor the sheer arm strength that Mahomes has. or Steve Young's, for that matter. Though I do remember watching a Sorts Science episode (or whatever it was called back then) and they did an analysis of several QBs and found that Joe had the most efficient throwing mechanics of any QB in NFL history (up to that time). So Montana could throw a pretty deep pass, or laser one over the middle for 15-20 yards, he even threw some no-platform passes occasionally, but his bread-and-butter was the perfect form pass. But what really set him apart as a passer imo was his ball placement. Every pass seemed like it was perfectly delivered so that it helped the receiver either stay in stride or allowed the receiver to protect himself from the inevitable crushing hit from the defender. He just never led a receiver into a big hit. All these years later, watching countless QBs, and I still have never seen anything like it. The closest in that regard is probably Mahomes, Brady or Manning. But Montana was just a wizard at protecting his receivers. P.S. for one game, I'd probably take Favre over Rodgers. And I get that Rodgers is the better overall QB, and probably more consistently accurate, and overall makes better decisions. But Favre could just make miraculous things happen, and his teammates would run through walls for him. Not sure Rodgers could get that level of buy-in from his entire team the way Favre could. And Favre didn't need a great receiver, the way Rodgers seems to. Favre would just throw it; and let whoever it was try to make a play. I still remember that game he played against GB when he was a Viking. That throw to the back of the EZ, to whoever that was (Lewis?). That guy was just some faceless dude up to that point, and Favre just let it rip and made that guy a hero. I'll take that Favre over Rodgers in one gotta-have-it game.
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Yeah, I think Montana was a lot more clutch than Steve Young in the playoffs. Way more game-winning drives and 4th quarter comebacks in the playoffs, much better TD to INT ratio in the playoffs. For that "clutch" reason alone, I would take Montana every time over Steve. They both had loaded rosters surrounding them, so it's pretty much an equal ground comparison.
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