Chiefs Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator - Page 243

TLO · 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

OKchiefs · 10-20-2022, 08:08 AM

https://twitter.com/scottkacsmar/sta...kLqRA6AgO_Ngbw

Consider the source, this guy is a jackass, but there is some unfortunate truth here

Chris Meck · 10-20-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I do,

But I also think our personnel is better this year. I just don't feel like the defensive play calling is playing to their strengths. Feel the same way about offense honestly.

And do what, exactly? What are these strengths that Spags is not playing to?

Lookit, you've got two rookie corners. You can't get to the QB with your front four. What do you do?

You do realize that you can't really blitz AND drop 7 to cover, right?

so what do you do?

The two rookie corners both have excellent length. Good press man skills. You'd rather have help over the top for them, but you can't get to the QB without blitzing, which means you CAN'T have help over the top.

So what do you do?

You risk it. You take the chance that yeah-you might get burnt, BUT you also might get enough pressure to screw the play up, get a sack, or maybe a turnover. At least an incompletion.

If you love it when it works, you can't complain when it doesn't, and blame the coach. That's just reactionary, emotional fit throwing.

To get effective pressure right now, we have to blitz. That means leaving corners on an island. Rookie corners. Scary.

And if Mahomes and company do their jobs, Spags probably is a genius this week.

Spags ain't the problem.

Clark is a problem. Dunlap hasn't helped much. Karlafkis is a rookie and not getting much done yet. Wharton out hurts more than is immediately apparent.

It's the front four.

htismaqe · 10-20-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Patrick Mahomes is elite. So is Josh Allen…maybe.

I’m still shocked that a defense composed of rookie day 3 starting corners, a backup safety, no Willie Gay, no Trent McDuffie and a struggling pass rush held that offense to 17 points until the last few mins and 24 overall.

Josh Allen struggled. Like he struggled pretty badly until the end of the 3rd. We had that man in hell for a good 2 quarters.

But the point remains. Patrick and the offense had every opportunity to drive down and win. Hell even get a FG on that drive and your last drive becomes a “get 35 or so yards to set up a game winning FG” but instead they needed a TD.

They went 3 and out. Just can’t do that. I guess that’s the adjustment to the new offense

Forget driving for the win late.

They had MULTIPLE chances during the 2nd and 3rd quarters to build an insurmountable lead and simply couldn't move the ball.

O.city · 10-20-2022, 08:14 AM

Josh Allen was never "in hell"

For ****s sake, they marched up and down the field all day.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2022, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Patrick Mahomes is elite. So is Josh Allen…maybe.

I’m still shocked that a defense composed of rookie day 3 starting corners, a backup safety, no Willie Gay, no Trent McDuffie and a struggling pass rush held that offense to 17 points until the last few mins and 24 overall.

Josh Allen struggled. Like he struggled pretty badly until the end of the 3rd. We had that man in hell for a good 2 quarters.

But the point remains. Patrick and the offense had every opportunity to drive down and win. Hell even get a FG on that drive and your last drive becomes a “get 35 or so yards to set up a game winning FG” but instead they needed a TD.

They went 3 and out. Just can’t do that. I guess that’s the adjustment to the new offense

And think of how much the offense could've helped the defense out.

The drive before the Bills long score at the end of the half was held back by a taunting penalty and then snuffed out entirely by a sack. Don't commit that penalty or don't get sacked on 2nd down and Buffalo probably doesn't bother using timeouts and doesn't get the ball back with any time at all. Could the defense have done better? Sure - but that gets back to the 'hey, the DL sucks and those guys are good'. They made a play. Shit happens.

And like you said, 3 and out with a 3 point lead and 7 minutes left....you've just gotta be better there on offense. It still took Buffalo 12 plays to get down the field there, including a 3rd and 4th down conversion. We were trying to force them to do what teams do to us - execute a dozen times to drive the field. They did.

With a chance to do the same the drive before it, we didn't.

And that was the difference in the ball game.

staylor26 · 10-20-2022, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

https://twitter.com/scottkacsmar/sta...kLqRA6AgO_Ngbw

Consider the source, this guy is a jackass, but there is some unfortunate truth here

More reeruned shit from the most miserable **** on CP.

You do realize that there are ways of creating turnovers aside from INTs, right?

Sneed has 3 FF, and when talking about our corners lack of INTs, I have yet to see you even acknowledge that once.

Jones had a turnover taken away too.

The Chiefs play a lot of man coverage. Getting INTs in man coverage can be difficult.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2022, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Josh Allen was never "in hell"

For ****s sake, they marched up and down the field all day.

Would you say the Chiefs marched up and down the field all day? I suspect not.

Meanwhile both teams had the ame number of passing yards. The Bills had 26 first downs to our 23. They averaged 4 YPC to our 3.8. They had a very slight edge in TOP, but nothing notable.

If the Bills 'marched up and down the field all day' then so did the Chiefs. And I believe we can both agree the latter is NOT the case.

The game came down to their quarterback executing a drive late in the 4th that ours didn't and 2 bad interceptions ours threw that theirs didn't. It wasn't the defense and you shouldn't oversell Buffalo's production.

O.city · 10-20-2022, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Would you say the Chiefs marched up and down the field all day? I suspect not.

Meanwhile both teams had the ame number of passing yards. The Bills had 26 first downs to our 23. They averaged 4 YPC to our 3.8. They had a very slight edge in TOP, but nothing notable.

If the Bills 'marched up and down the field all day' then so did the Chiefs. And I believe we can both agree the latter is NOT the case.

The game came down to their quarterback executing a drive late in the 4th that ours didn't and 2 bad interceptions ours threw that theirs didn't. It wasn't the defense and you shouldn't oversell Buffalo's production.

Other than the Chris Jones sack, did you ever really feel like the Chiefs D "stopped" the Bills or more the Bills did something dumb or just ****ed up?

Same with KC, only the Bills actually have a pass rush and made it hard on us.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2022, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Other than the Chris Jones sack, did you ever really feel like the Chiefs D "stopped" the Bills or more the Bills did something dumb or just ****ed up?

Same with KC, only the Bills actually have a pass rush and made it hard on us.

Turning them over on downs is not 'the Bills did something dumb' when it works. That's rearview mirror rationalization. That was a huge play. And then we immediately followed that up with a 3 and out.

Turning them over on downs at midfield is also not 'the bills did somthing dumb' and hand-waiving the sack is a little disingenuous.

That's 4 drives out of 9 where the Chiefs defense stood tall and actively made plays that stopped drives. Like I said a few days ago - that's all you can reasonably expect from a defense in todays NFL, especially against a high-end opponent.

It ain't 1994 fellas. Defenses 'win' on red zone stands and 3rd/4th down stops. You just don't stop defenses from moving the ball between the 20s anymore.

O.city · 10-20-2022, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Turning them over on downs is not 'the Bills did something dumb' when it works. That's rearview mirror rationalization. That was a huge play. And then we immediately followed that up with a 3 and out.

Turning them over on downs at midfield is also not 'the bills did somthing dumb' and hand-waiving the sack is a little disingenuous.

That's 4 drives out of 9 where the Chiefs defense stood tall and actively made plays that stopped drives. Like I said a few days ago - that's all you can reasonably expect from a defense in todays NFL, especially against a high-end opponent.

It ain't 1994 fellas. Defenses 'win' on red zone stands and 3rd/4th down stops. You just don't stop defenses from moving the ball between the 20s anymore.

I don't disagree. The defense played well enough.

But the stops were a WR falling down on fourth down in the endzone over his own feet and a flukey fumble in which the rb kicked it to us. The other two were absolutely great defensive stands, I agree.

I just don't consider that actively making plays on the first two. But as you said earlier, same with KC. We did dumb shit like a taunting penalty and a flukey int in the endzone and a dumb ****ing PI that took 4 points off the board.

OKchiefs · 10-20-2022, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

More reeruned shit from the most miserable **** on CP.

You do realize that there are ways of creating turnovers aside from INTs, right?

Sneed has 3 FF, and when talking about our corners lack of INTs, I have yet to see you even acknowledge that once.

Jones had a turnover taken away too.

The Chiefs play a lot of man coverage. Getting INTs in man coverage can be difficult.

It also acknowledges that we aren’t getting many takeaways regardless of fumble or interception, only one game with multiple takeaways in last 11 games.

htismaqe · 10-20-2022, 08:30 AM

I said it before the game - the Bills offense scores most of its points from outside the RZ. The Chiefs game plan should have been to force them to be flawless in the RZ and guess what? They weren't.

The defense did EXACTLY what was needed to win this game. The offense didn't hold up its end of the deal.

DJ's left nut · 10-20-2022, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I don't disagree. The defense played well enough.

But the stops were a WR falling down on fourth down in the endzone over his own feet and a flukey fumble in which the rb kicked it to us.

I just don't consider that actively making plays.

But that's EXACTLY the idea behind the bend don't break models that everyone is using now. That Fangio bullshit.

It says that if you make them execute 12-15 times, eventually a WR is going to trip over his own feet on 4th down.

Gotta recalibrate your speedometer here. These ain't the same sized tires you were driving on 25 years ago.

htismaqe · 10-20-2022, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But that's EXACTLY the idea behind the bend don't break models that everyone is using now. That Fangio bullshit.

It says that if you make them execute 12-15 times, eventually a WR is going to trip over his own feet on 4th down.

Gotta recalibrate your speedometer here. These ain't the same sized tires you were driving on 25 years ago.

Bingo.

tredadda · 10-20-2022, 08:33 AM

This defense is not 90’s era Chiefs, but it’s really hard to pin either loss on them. STs cost us against Indy and the Offense/STs against Buffalo. If our STs were even competent against Indy we win easily. Against Buffalo, the bad INT early when we could have had 3 and the missed FG cost us that game. They hit those and KC would have had a 26-17 lead and Buffalo would have needed to score a TD and get an onside kick to have a chance. Or had the offense been able to close out the game when they had a 20-17 lead things would have been different.

The defense still needs to grow and we still need a pass rusher in the worst way, but I can’t see how they are getting criticized for their performance so far.

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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $9709900	I said it before the game - the Bills offense scores most of its points from outside the RZ. The Chiefs game plan should have been to force them to be flawless in the RZ and guess what? They weren't. The defense did EXACTLY what was needed to win this game. The offense didn't hold up its end of the deal.
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tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-124947	This defense is not 90’s era Chiefs, but it’s really hard to pin either loss on them. STs cost us against Indy and the Offense/STs against Buffalo. If our STs were even competent against Indy we win easily. Against Buffalo, the bad INT early when we could have had 3 and the missed FG cost us that game. They hit those and KC would have had a 26-17 lead and Buffalo would have needed to score a TD and get an onside kick to have a chance. Or had the offense been able to close out the game when they had a 20-17 lead things would have been different. The defense still needs to grow and we still need a pass rusher in the worst way, but I can’t see how they are getting criticized for their performance so far.
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