Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by sedated

On the other side of the coin, exploiting Dee Ford means running the ball as the 1st option, and that is taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

No, you can exploit Ford in the passing game too.

[CaliforniaChief]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, you can exploit Ford in the passing game too.

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by DRM08

The better comparison point might be the Lions. They did a very good job and they had quite a few backups playing in the secondary. Of course, they were aided by a missing Tyreek Hill.

What a weird game that was. Fumbles everywhere. Pat still threw for 300+ yards but, yeah, Tyreek is our built-in man coverage beater and that strategy wouldn't have worked as well for them had he played.

[Halfcan]

Things could go really wrong, in a hurry for the 69ers.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by wachashi

What a weird game that was. Fumbles everywhere. Pat still threw for 300+ yards but, yeah, Tyreek is our built-in man coverage beater and that strategy wouldn't have worked as well for them had he played.

Plus I would think the rookie Hardman is better now than he was in Week 3. He’s a lot more experienced at this point.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by sedated

On the other side of the coin, exploiting Dee Ford means running the ball as the 1st option, and that is taking the ball out of Mahomes' hands.

And that’s fine if it’s first down and you’re breaking off 4+ yard runs while also drilling him with crack back blocks repeatedly.

It also sets up a lot more stuff.

Bosa crashes down the line? Mahomes keeps it.

Slot CB doesn’t motion with the WR? Pop pass to Hill or, even better, stream-post combo from Watkins and Hill.

Safeties creeping up? Play-action passes.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

IIRC Ford is one clutch morher****er

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

No, you can exploit Ford in the passing game too.

It’s like people forgot seeing Ford get washed out of passing plays bc teams knew the speed rush was the only thing he had.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

“Certainly, Brett will have a chance to be with us for a very long time. And I have no doubt he’ll do an outstanding job of building the roster around Patrick as we go,” Chiefs CEO Clark Hunt said to @AlbertBreer in this week’s MMQB https://t.co/AZWbnfNia2

— The MMQB (@theMMQB) January 27, 2020

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Mahomes has a pretty good hard-count too. Does anyone know if Ford has any tendencies to be offsides?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It’s like people forgot seeing Ford get washed out of passing plays bc teams knew the speed rush was the only thing he had.

He tries to bull rush and he can at times but he likes to get his hands real high. Stay low and underneath him and he can be neutralized. Really, he relies on his first step and getting by guys before they get set. Chipping him can really disrupt his rhythm.

[All22]

Originally Posted by DRM08

This is a strange response to my post. Did you quote the wrong person? I was talking about the KC defense and only said they earned their reputation as a bad defense the last couple seasons. Your rant has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Only the first sentence was aimed at your post. The storylines don't really match the game tape is my point. The chiefs earned their bad-run defense reputation...

The 49ers have aren't some team that sucks when you force them to pass. Every team tried that in the regular season and it kinda worked against the Rams but didn't work at all against us when Kittle was on the field.

On film, Minnesota and GreenBay clearly sold out against the pass (particularly the play action pass and RPO pass) so Kyle ran it down throats. I actually think it's a better strategy to try to stop our passing game than our run game but GB and MN couldn't score against our D.

Selling out against the run means you're going to give up the big play all day but the storylines kinda.ignore that.

On film, the Titan run game is only superficially like the 49ers run game.

Every team comes in saying the same stuff...

"Our run defense has improved so much... We can shut down the 49ers run game"

"Our offensive line is the best you've seen all year and we can handle the rush"

"Your secondary isn't that good, you can't guard (Thomas/OBJ/Adams/Cooks/Diggs/CMC/running back out of the backfield)"

"The 49ers haven't played anyone yet"

We were literally underdogs to the Bengals, Browns, and Panthers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

And that’s fine if it’s first down and you’re breaking off 4+ yard runs while also drilling him with crack back blocks repeatedly.

It also sets up a lot more stuff.

Bosa crashes down the line? Mahomes keeps it.

Slot CB doesn’t motion with the WR? Pop pass to Hill or, even better, stream-post combo from Watkins and Hill.

Safeties creeping up? Play-action passes.

I do think that's a fair amount of 'conventional' thinking with a team that I simply don't think should be adhering to it.

I'm not interested in any more of that RPO shit. People say it gives PM more freedom but to my eyes it does just the opposite. Most RPOs are 1 read and go - you see your read key and immediately run or fire. Rarely are those designed to give your QB time to survey the field and find the open man. They undermine Mahomes phenomenal field vision.

Pop passes and things of that nature are similarly constrictive.

More than anything, I want Reid to simply give the ball to the best triggerman in the league and allow him freedom to work with it as he sees fit. Use screens and designed reads only to set up something else. Use play-fakes only when you're in close enough that giving Williams the option of staying in to block or going out into the pattern isn't as productive (because if he's out there and open, Pat will find him).

Gimme more of the hair on fire playcalling that can lead to Mahomes and company simply scorching the earth. IF they force you out of it, so be it. But we have a good pass-blocking OL and weapons that a Cover 3 simply can't deal with absent more speed than the 9ers secondary has. We have a quarterback that can challenge every blade of grass on the field and they have a secondary that can't cover it all for more than 2 seconds. So trust your blockers to do their job and allow Mahomes to pressure the hell out of that secondary by reading and attacking.

Make that your primary attack and if it fails, then you start going into the bag of tricks.

[All22]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok lets get very real here about the 49ers defense....they didn't face many good passing offenses this year but lets look at some of these point totals...

Early in the year they catch the Rams off guard and win 20-7...second meeting they give up 31 points.

In 2 meetings with the Cards they give up 25 and 26 points.

46 to the Saints..29 to Atlanta.....27 and 21 to Seattle who doesn't really have many weapons...

This defense isn't great and when they face teams with real weapons they tend to get beat.

The Cards, Hawks, and Rams are division games. As you know from the way y'all play the Chargers, what happens in division games doesn't transfer to the rest of the league.

Besides, we went 6-1 in the best division in football and the game we lost was because of a missed FG in OT by our backup kicker and was without Kittle or Sanders.