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Old 04-27-2017, 07:19 PM  
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Old 02-03-2023, 02:35 PM   #36121
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Depends on who you ask. To those who consider wins a QB stat? Yes. Those who don't? Absolutely not.
Great points although I wish wins weren’t counted at the most basic of levels. Granted that will probably never go away, but all wins and losses are not created equal.
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I never understood why people put value in what other people's opinions of their favorite player are. He could retire after next week and I would still consider him the greatest ever. No internet stranger's opinion is going to change mine.
There are a few on this board who want Mahomes to be widely regarded as the best ever, to win as many MVPs and as many Super Bowls as possible.

Some fans take immense pride in that, I get it.
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Old 02-03-2023, 04:40 PM   #36123
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I never understood why people put value in what other people's opinions of their favorite player are. He could retire after next week and I would still consider him the greatest ever. No internet stranger's opinion is going to change mine.
Donkey fans think Elway is the best ever...they'd be wrong but they do.

Colts...Manning...again wrong.

Pats...Brady...there's a case

Niners....Montana....there's a case.

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Old 02-03-2023, 04:45 PM   #36124
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There are a few on this board who want Mahomes to be widely regarded as the best ever, to win as many MVPs and as many Super Bowls as possible.

Some fans take immense pride in that, I get it.
I think he is indeed widely regarded as the best ever among the population that understands football.

You're always going to have some dummies who can't see it, but the people whose opinions matter know.
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I think he is indeed widely regarded as the best ever among the population that understands football.

You're always going to have some dummies who can't see it, but the people whose opinions matter know.
Best player I've ever seen.

But media changes it to accomplishments.

If we win this one people will get nervous.
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He's just a rare combination of insane physical talent, extremely fast brain processing, and a killer instinct. A lot of guys have talent and heart but lack the brain power. Alex Smith supposedly had the brain power but not the same talent and definitely not the killer instinct.
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Best player I've ever seen.

But media changes it to accomplishments.

If we win this one people will get nervous.
The arguments are interesting for sure. Basing it solely off of SB wins is misleading IMO. If Mahomes ended his career without another SB I don't think you'd find many people who would argue that Aikman or Young were better than him (4 each), let alone Manning/Manning/Garoppolo/Big Ben (2 each). Same with whoever brought up the NBA comparison this week with Russell (11) vs MJ (7)... Although I get that is a different sport and not apples to apples. Where Brady separates himself is with his overall gaudy career stats with total tds, yards, etc. Those are more longevity stats, though, and not indicative of GOAT performance. SB wins are, too, to an extent.

If you base your argument on what a player can physically do on the field on any given Sunday, though... the physical ability, mental toughness, leadership, performance... I'm not betting against Mahomes.
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The arguments are interesting for sure. Basing it solely off of SB wins is misleading IMO. If Mahomes ended his career without another SB I don't think you'd find many people who would argue that Aikman or Young were better than him (4 each), let alone Manning/Manning/Garoppolo/Big Ben (2 each). Same with whoever brought up the NBA comparison this week with Russell (11) vs MJ (7)... Although I get that is a different sport and not apples to apples. Where Brady separates himself is with his overall gaudy career stats with total tds, yards, etc. Those are more longevity stats, though, and not indicative of GOAT performance. SB wins are, too, to an extent.

If you base your argument on what a player can physically do on the field on any given Sunday, though... the physical ability, mental toughness, leadership, performance... I'm not betting against Mahomes.
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The arguments are interesting for sure. Basing it solely off of SB wins is misleading IMO. If Mahomes ended his career without another SB I don't think you'd find many people who would argue that Aikman or Young were better than him (4 each),
I agree with your overall point. However, Steve Young won 3 Super Bowls and 2 of them were basically the equivalent of when you said Jimmy G "won 2". Nobody even considers Jimmy G to have won 2 Super Bowls. It's more like "Jimmy G" was a member of two Super Bowl winning teams. The difference, other than Young was an elite player, is that Young actually went out and won 1 on his own. Also, MJ won 6 rings. These guys are great enough without you giving them extra titles. LOL
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Old 02-04-2023, 05:12 AM   #36130
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Why are there no good highlight videos of Mahomes' second MVP season? I'm sure more will appear after the SB, but the regular season highlight videos are in short supply and mostly suck. They're either poorly made or leave out a ton of the best plays, or both.
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Why are there no good highlight videos of Mahomes' second MVP season? I'm sure more will appear after the SB, but the regular season highlight videos are in short supply and mostly suck. They're either poorly made or leave out a ton of the best plays, or both.
NFL will drop a full highlight vid for him after the Super Bowl. It’ll probably be 20 or more minutes long
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The arguments are interesting for sure. Basing it solely off of SB wins is misleading IMO. If Mahomes ended his career without another SB I don't think you'd find many people who would argue that Aikman or Young were better than him (4 each), let alone Manning/Manning/Garoppolo/Big Ben (2 each). Same with whoever brought up the NBA comparison this week with Russell (11) vs MJ (7)... Although I get that is a different sport and not apples to apples. Where Brady separates himself is with his overall gaudy career stats with total tds, yards, etc. Those are more longevity stats, though, and not indicative of GOAT performance. SB wins are, too, to an extent.

If you base your argument on what a player can physically do on the field on any given Sunday, though... the physical ability, mental toughness, leadership, performance... I'm not betting against Mahomes.
What? Neither Aikman nor Young won 4. Aikman and Young won 3.

4 was Montana and Bradshaw.
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What? Neither Aikman nor Young won 4. Aikman and Young won 3.

4 was Montana and Bradshaw.
Young only won one. Not sure if he was confusing Montana for Young when talking about 4 Super Bowl wins.
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Young only won one. Not sure if he was confusing Montana for Young when talking about 4 Super Bowl wins.
Young was on the '89, 90 teams but only QB1 won in '95, you're right.
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I'll tell you this-

Three SB's in four years is awesome.

Two out of three wondering if Mahomes can play through injury is not.

I want that ****ing offensive line built into the best in football from OT to OT this offseason.
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