Star Wars Episode VIII SPOILERS thread

[DaneMcCloud]

For all things Episode VIII related info including spoilers.

The release date is now December 15, 2017.

The Official Synopsis from Star Wars.com

“In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017.”









New footage in Japanese Trailer

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There are all sorts of metrics showing the movie was a problem.

I gave the perfect example a few pages back.

Disney doesn't receive 100% of the box office profits for this film. They receive 65% Domestically, which puts their take at around $377 million, which doesn't cover the cost of the film and marketing.

Overseas territories vary widely and as I mentioned earlier, the exhibitors (Theater Chains) receive a larger percentage of the box office after 4 weeks.

This is all without mentioning the backlash, divisive nature of the film or the Star Wars galaxy moving forward.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

1.3 billion

disastrous!

Good lord, you are truly clueless and have learned nothing from this thread.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There are all sorts of metrics showing the movie was a problem. Domestic box office is way down. Foreign box office is way down. Consumer reviews were down. Movie tie ins (toys, etc...) suffered down sales. And, for all of them, among others, too much of the fanboy response here has been to attack the messengers, ignore the reality, and pretend that even the most obvious problems with the movie really aren't problems at all.

I saw this same sort of thing with the DC movies, here in this forum. It's an interesting dynamic, but it really doesn't help people to get an honest take on the movies.

It seems to me that it would be dishonest for me to dislike the movie because the box office is down and it isn't selling as many toys. I've put my opinion out there on why I like some of the things others don't like and usually the response I get is "you don't know nuthin' cause the movie isn't doing as good at the box office."

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

And, for all of them, among others, too much of the fanboy response here has been to attack the messengers, ignore the reality, and pretend that even the most obvious problems with the movie really aren't problems at all.

Regarding this specifically, I'd argue that you have this backward - but I guess, like anything it depends on your perspective. There have been several people on this thread that were shouted down for liking the movie. Red dang near apologizing for expressing his support for it and saying that it was a mistake to come on here. I'd actually began lurking, instead of posting, for much the same reason... it wasn't an entertaining discussion of opposing points. But I jumped back in after the response he/she received to shift some of the heat coming his/her way.

I'm not ignoring Dane's points about the box office, and I don't even mind deferring to his apparent insider knowledge. I don't think that precludes me from offering up possible other reasons the movie didn't match that of TFA. And I don't recall ever attacking Dane for his more informed opinion. Furthermore, if the Star Wars universe implodes under the supposed horrible sins that were committed in TLJ, I would be disappointed, as I do enjoy them. But I'm not going to crucify Johnson for it. I thought he made a really terrific movie and I disagree with most of the criticism, for the reasons I've stated, that it receives.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-ha...-novelization/

That was pretty cool about the novilization. Never picked one of those up, but I'd be interested to see/read the Han burial.

My 10 year old would totally love that Star Wars day at sea.

[Hawk]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You have absolutely no clue. You don't work in the entertainment business on any level, you don't understand box office receipts, you don't understand how this has thrown a wrench into Disney's grand plans for Star Wars and the new Star Wars sections at Disneyland and Disneyworld.

Nothing. Nada. Zero. You're just a guy on the internet that reads fan sites that you agree with and parrot their conclusion(s).

It doesn't matter whether or not *I* personally liked the film. The results are disastrous for Disney.

I highly doubt this impacts the new Star Wars sections in Disneyland and Disneyworld in any drastic way. People still love Disney and Star Wars. Harry Potter is still a HUGE draw for Universal Studios and the last true Harry Potter movie was in 2011.

People who think this movie and its somewhat disappointing results or reception spell doom for the Star Wars universe are just being severely melodramatic. If it survived the Prequels, it will survive these movies too. You don't really seem impartial on this issue as you are dead set on your message of disaster and ruin for all things Star Wars. And you are on here shouting down anyone who doubts you like you are all knowing because you're in the business. If being in the business made people all knowing, we wouldn't even be having these discussions would we? If the next movie is good and people like it, it will rebound just fine. The Star Wars universe and legacy is far more resilient and ingrained in our culture than you seem to think.

And this movie is still the highest grossing movie of 2017 and the 9th highest grossing movie ever in the history of movies, and it is still in theaters so it will still gross more than it has so far. I get all the arguments you want to make about how despite those facts it is still a complete and utter disaster of epic proportions (and how you know so better than everyone else here), but if Disney can't figure out how to make money off a movie with those numbers, they are total morons.

And there is still a great chance that Episode 9 will do better than this one. Given the bad word of mouth on this movie from pissed off nerds and internet trolls, it could really be viewed as a success that it has done as well as it has. If fan reactions to Episode 9 are better, it has plenty of room to surpass this one and likely would.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Good lord, you are truly clueless and have learned nothing from this thread.

What I've learned is you hate a movie you paid twice to see, and apparently the least financially successful of Disney's Star Wars movies was the best one.

But despite that, everything was A-OK NUMBER ONE USDA CHOICE after Rogue One came out. No predictions of doom. And it had the SAME production budget as TLJ.

Now a movie is going to make over $1.3 billion dollars (and counting) and you're acting like Lucasfilm is going to fire half the company.

You are a giant contradiction.

It's comically over the top.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by Hawk

And there is still a great chance that Episode 9 will do better than this one. Given the bad word of mouth on this movie from pissed off nerds and internet trolls, it could really be viewed as a success that it has done as well as it has. If fan reactions to Episode 9 are better, it has plenty of room to surpass this one and likely would.

It likely will. It will get a bounce just because it's the last (supposedly) of this storyline/the Skywalker saga.
In the other two trilogies, the first one had the biggest box office, the second had the least, and the third one finished between the first two.

[sully1983]

Disney's Star Wars will be fine BUT come on... Disney has got to be sorta let down by their box office intact this time around. The Last Jedi was supposed to make tons more money than it did.

I am happy that a lot of the folks on here liked this film. Glad you had a good time at the cinema . but some of us ****ing hated this crappy film haha. Let us seethe please .

Oh and Disney will most certainly be okay because they bought out 20th Century Fox. Avatar 2 will be HUGE.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

What I've learned is you hate a movie you paid twice to see, and apparently the least financially successful of Disney's Star Wars movies was the best one.

But despite that, everything was A-OK NUMBER ONE USDA CHOICE after Rogue One came out. No predictions of doom. And it had the SAME production budget as TLJ.

Now a movie is going to make over $1.3 billion dollars (and counting) and you're acting like Lucasfilm is going to fire half the company.

You are a giant contradiction.

It's comically over the top.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

I paid twice to see it’s because I purchased both sets of tickets well more than 2 months in advance.

You know less about filmmaking and the box office than you do NFL personnel (which is complete joke in and of itself) which would funny if it wasn’t so true.

The production and marketing budget was FAR LESS for Rogue One as compared to TLJ.

You’re clueless. Completely clueless.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Hawk

I highly doubt this impacts the new Star Wars sections in Disneyland and Disneyworld in any drastic way. People still love Disney and Star Wars. Harry Potter is still a HUGE draw for Universal Studios and the last true Harry Potter movie was in 2011.

People who think this movie and its somewhat disappointing results or reception spell doom for the Star Wars universe are just being severely melodramatic. If it survived the Prequels, it will survive these movies too. You don't really seem impartial on this issue as you are dead set on your message of disaster and ruin for all things Star Wars. And you are on here shouting down anyone who doubts you like you are all knowing because you're in the business. If being in the business made people all knowing, we wouldn't even be having these discussions would we? If the next movie is good and people like it, it will rebound just fine. The Star Wars universe and legacy is far more resilient and ingrained in our culture than you seem to think.

And this movie is still the highest grossing movie of 2017 and the 9th highest grossing movie ever in the history of movies, and it is still in theaters so it will still gross more than it has so far. I get all the arguments you want to make about how despite those facts it is still a complete and utter disaster of epic proportions (and how you know so better than everyone else here), but if Disney can't figure out how to make money off a movie with those numbers, they are total morons.

And there is still a great chance that Episode 9 will do better than this one. Given the bad word of mouth on this movie from pissed off nerds and internet trolls, it could really be viewed as a success that it has done as well as it has. If fan reactions to Episode 9 are better, it has plenty of room to surpass this one and likely would.

Annndddd.... we have another clueless person chiming in.

Why the **** do you people think you know what goes on in Hollywood?

Like there was no fallout after Justice League failed to live up to expectations?

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by temper11

It seems to me that it would be dishonest for me to dislike the movie because the box office is down and it isn't selling as many toys. I've put my opinion out there on why I like some of the things others don't like and usually the response I get is "you don't know nuthin' cause the movie isn't doing as good at the box office."

It's dishonest of you to characterize what people have said in response to your posts as "you don't know nuthin' cause the movie isn't doing as good at the box office."

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by temper11

Regarding this specifically, I'd argue that you have this backward

Then you'd be lying.

[cosmo20002]

Originally Posted by sully1983

Disney's Star Wars will be fine BUT come on... Disney has got to be sorta let down by their box office intact this time around. The Last Jedi was supposed to make tons more money than it did.

I am happy that a lot of the folks on here liked this film. Glad you had a good time at the cinema . but some of us ****ing hated this crappy film haha. Let us seethe please .

Oh and Disney will most certainly be okay because they bought out 20th Century Fox. Avatar 2 will be HUGE.

According to?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The production and marketing budget was FAR LESS for Rogue One as compared to TLJ.

You don't know this.

According to wikipedia, they had identical production budgets of $200 million.

Unless you have a source that says the marketing for TLJ was some disgusting number in HUGE excess of Rogue One, it has been by far a more successful film financially.