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Old 04-17-2017, 02:02 PM  
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Chiefs focused on Mahomes, McCaffrey, and Cunningham in RD1
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... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:45 AM   #346
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:48 AM   #347
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Follow up, Coogs - who in this draft would you say has a 'slow' release?

Because seriously, I can't find a scouting report on any of these guys that doesn't say 'quick release' somewhere in it. The release thing is pretty uniform for most passers these days and I don't see anything in Watson that leads me to believe his release is appreciably quicker than Mahomes, Webb or any of the other, much stronger armed passers available.

That arm's a liability, man.
I can't answer your question DJ. Wish I could.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:48 AM   #348
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I haven't seen it either. I would like too. Just saw Watson has the quickest one at 0.35, which is the same as Aaron Rodgers.

I have not been able to find any other times.
This is weird.

I keep seeing this same guy tweeting shit about the sportscience episode (Marcus Mosher) but otherwise there's no reference to it anywhere and I can't find it.

He also says that the same episode gave Chad Kelly the highest marks they've given to any QB since Jamies Winston.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:49 AM   #349
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This is weird.

I keep seeing this same guy tweeting shit about the sportscience episode (Marcus Mosher) but otherwise there's no reference to it anywhere and I can't find it.

He also says that the same episode gave Chad Kelly the highest marks they've given to any QB since Jamies Winston.
That's all I can find on it too.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:53 AM   #350
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I can't answer your question DJ. Wish I could.
Likewise. Man, you're just an asshole for not doing my legwork for me.

I want a new QB badly enough that I'm open to being convinced on any of these guys. If I could find something that says Watson goes from decision to delivery .15 seconds faster than Mahomes, I'd reconsider him.

I still wouldn't love him because that lack of velocity means he's having to put a hump on the ball that's easier for a DB to break on even if it comes out sooner (the guys that watch the WR rather than the QB don't care about release times; they're not breaking on the release, which brings us back to the anticipation argument but I digress).

But I'd at least consider him. I just think the fact that he has less arm strength than Kellen Moore is pretty disconcerting. It's not just that it's average, it's that its genuinely awful.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:56 AM   #351
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Likewise. Man, you're just an asshole for not doing my legwork for me.

I want a new QB badly enough that I'm open to being convinced on any of these guys. If I could find something that says Watson goes from decision to delivery .15 seconds faster than Mahomes, I'd reconsider him.

I still wouldn't love him because that lack of velocity means he's having to put a hump on the ball that's easier for a DB to break on even if it comes out sooner (the guys that watch the WR rather than the QB don't care about release times; they're not breaking on the release, which brings us back to the anticipation argument but I digress).

But I'd at least consider him. I just think the fact that he has less arm strength than Kellen Moore is pretty disconcerting. It's not just that it's average, it's that its genuinely awful.
Well, Watson has a Papa John's endorsement so there is that....
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Why do people continue to insist that Brady has a noodle arm?

Watch the sportscience episode - Brady can hum it in at 60 mph. Brady has a goddamn cannon when he needs it.

And this Drew Brees shit has to stop. Please. Drew Brees is historically precise. There's arguably never been a more accurate passer in NFL history than Drew Brees. Again, it gets back to calling every undersized righthanded pitcher Greg Maddux. No - these are the exceptions that prove the rules. They're the guys that show just how perfect you have to be to succeed with the limited tools they have. Oh, and Drew Brees threw 52, FYI.
Can you provide specific examples of Watsons arm causing interceptions? Again the several games I watched it his INT's were due to stupid decisions where he simply didn't see the LB dropping into coverage or where his mechanics specifically his legs were not good. I understand you don't like him as a prospect but this arm velocity thing was something just brought up a few weeks ago. Nobody was bashing his arm strength previously. They also didn't track arm velocity when Brees/Brady were at the combine.
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Old 04-20-2017, 09:59 AM   #353
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I'll go against the grain here and say Watson is a great fit for this system. Yes he doesn't have a strong arm reminds me of Smith but more willing to make throws, better at getting the ball downfield and more athletic. Certainly can win with him.
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Old 04-20-2017, 10:00 AM   #354
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Read the article I posted in the draft forum...you'll like Webb after you're done.

He's got most of the tools to be a good starter in the league.
I'm really high on Webb. He has all the measurables and seems like a really smart kid. The fact that he's been learning the WCO the entire off-season doesn't hurt either.
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I don't see KC moving up at all in the first two days.

I see us looking at a draft full of talent and taking what falls...
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I'm really high on Webb. He has all the measurables and seems like a really smart kid. The fact that he's been learning the WCO the entire off-season doesn't hurt either.
Yeah he's pretty money within 10 yards. Hate his pocket presence though.
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Can you provide specific examples of Watsons arm causing interceptions? Again the several games I watched it his INT's were due to stupid decisions where he simply didn't see the LB dropping into coverage or where his mechanics specifically his legs were not good. I understand you don't like him as a prospect but this arm velocity thing was something just brought up a few weeks ago. Nobody was bashing his arm strength previously. They also didn't track arm velocity when Brees/Brady were at the combine.
I called it average prior to all the combine stuff; I was never a fan of his arm strength.

And no, I really can't but I haven't gone through all his throws. I just can't see any way that having a below average arm isn't going to impact him on timing routes. The WCO has all those short, quick routes where space is tight; if you can't fire it in there, you're operating with no margin for error.

And I'm aware they didn't track velocity then, but they've been able to determine it now. You're not using Brady or Brees as prospects, you're using their pro performances to support your argument. As a pro, Brady can hit 60 so he's really not the argument you're wanting to make here.

And if you draft Watson hoping for Brees, you're a hell of a lot more likely to get Pat White for your efforts.
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I don't see KC moving up at all in the first two days.

I see us looking at a draft full of talent and taking what falls...
If there is a hyper-run on qbs early, I hope KC stays out. Some serious talent will drop as a result. Guys I think will slip:

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Likewise. Man, you're just an asshole for not doing my legwork for me.

I want a new QB badly enough that I'm open to being convinced on any of these guys. If I could find something that says Watson goes from decision to delivery .15 seconds faster than Mahomes, I'd reconsider him.

I still wouldn't love him because that lack of velocity means he's having to put a hump on the ball that's easier for a DB to break on even if it comes out sooner (the guys that watch the WR rather than the QB don't care about release times; they're not breaking on the release, which brings us back to the anticipation argument but I digress).

But I'd at least consider him. I just think the fact that he has less arm strength than Kellen Moore is pretty disconcerting. It's not just that it's average, it's that its genuinely awful.
Hey, I'm trying to do your leg work!

Seriously, I agree with pretty much everything you say. I just have Watson a bit ahead of Mahomes. Only reason is SAGA45's tapes in the draft forum. Watson looks smooth and confident, and Mahomes looks just like King said he did against Oklahoma. It's hard to describe.
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I'm really high on Webb. He has all the measurables and seems like a really smart kid. The fact that he's been learning the WCO the entire off-season doesn't hurt either.
Agree 100%...
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