Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Rain Man]

Never mind. We've always had the option to keep cut players. I'll go back and correct my previous post about releasing players.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by wazu

I'm good with that.

Me too.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

As prep for the draft, changes to everyone's rosters so far due to free agency are as follows. Lots of changes this offseason.

Trades

Option to trade a 2nd this year and a future pick for QB Alex Smith. Prior to the draft, report whether you accept or reject this trade.

I'm accepting that trade.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by patteeu

I'm accepting that trade.

I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I was curious to see what you and wazu would do about that. I'm kind of tempted to do it just to get a good backup, but I'm not sure I want to give up whatever next year's pick is, too.

Even with the painful 35 percent discount I'm seriously considering trading down with my #1 pick. My key question is whether I take a good and safe OT that I will likely need next year, or a somewhat more risky DT that I'm desperate for this year.

I'm still struggling a little with this whole free agent thing. It seems a little unfair for us to never lose a free agent, but it could also be a pain to monitor it for the lower tier players. Any ideas? I'd like for us to fight the free agent battle along with the NFL Chiefs.

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

I don't really know what to do about free agents. I don't particularly want to monitor all of my "foreign" players for whether they leave through free agency or get cut/traded from their teams. As for Chiefs free agents, I could go either way. I agree that we shouldn't get both the free agent and the compensatory pick.

[wazu]

I, too, am accepting the trade.

*Runs over to the corner of the room and pukes his guts out.*

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

At a minimum, I'm thinking that we shouldn't get compensatory picks starting next year if we don't lose free agents. This year we should get them because we all lost Brandon Carr, but if for example Albert walks and we keep him, we shouldn't get compensated for it.

I'm good with this. Really, we are starting to get deep enough into this game that drafts will mean everything. If get so good at drafting that people look at our teams and think it's impossible salary-cap wise, then we can adjust.

And I think the honor system holds true. There are only 3 of us. We can look back and see who we drafted. If I passed on Baldwin, but he blows up, I won't claim to have him on my roster. There's no point. I just want to have some fun with this and see it continue to evolve.

[Rain Man]

Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Okay, that settles it. We'll take compensatory picks this year, and henceforth we will not lose free agents other than Chiefs. We'll review it as we go to see if that gives us an unfair advantage or not.

If I can keep Albert and Winston, that'll help me a ton.

You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by wazu

You, me, patteau, and the real Chiefs as well. Can't fathom why this new regime thinks it's a good idea to cast off two very good tackles and create a new problem where one didn't already exist.

I can only shake my head. And they cut Winston. I don't get it. However, since he hasn't signed with anyone yet perhaps we can assume that there's a problem that we don't know about.

Edit: I guess we all lose Glenn Dorsey this year, too. Have we had anyone else walk? Oh, yeah. Brady Quinn. Anyone else?

Dorsey hurts me because he and Toribio are my only true tackles. Alex Carrington plays there a little, but he's not really a tackle. If Da'Quan Bowers ever comes back and justifies my first-round pick I'd like to go with a 4-3, but it's hard to do that when you have no defensive tackles. I think I may be stocking up on DTs in this draft.

[Rain Man]

Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Hmm, I just had an idea that I think could be fun.

On our trade up and trade down scenarios, we introduced the "tax" (15 percent on trade up, 35 percent on trade down) because we know where the players were drafted. The tax offsets the perfect knowledge.

But what if we trade up or down BEFORE the draft? If that's the case, I think it would be reasonable to get full value.

What do you think about changing the tradeup/trade down rules to this?

1. If you trade up or down before the draft, you can trade at full value. However, this is irreversible. Once you make the call to do it, you can't go back and switch. You can make as many of these trades as you like as long as they only involve draft picks.

2. You can still trade up or down after the draft, in which case the rules in the thread header still apply.

If we really wanted to be pure, we would eliminate the second option and only go with the first. I could do that, though I think it's fun to do the tradeup/trade down thing.

That's fine with me.

[wazu]

I'm good with the new trade rule.

[Rain Man]

(Banging gavel.) Okay, new trade rule is in.

[Rain Man]

Hmm. I've been looking at draft points under the new rule. So if I trade with, say, Philadelphia at the #4 pick before the draft I would get every pick in their draft. Every one of them, and I'd still be giving up points. I realize that we have an oddity this year in having the #1 pick, but does that seem reasonable?

I haven't thought about how we would value future picks and probably wouldn't remember that I have one anyway, so I'm thinking I'll just stick with this year's picks.

I think I would make that trade prior to the draft, but want to confirm that it's a reasonable thing. Or is a pre-draft trade at face value too generous? We're assuming that we could make the trade in real life, and that may not always be the case.