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Old 04-29-2022, 06:44 PM  
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Old 05-02-2022, 08:01 AM   #346
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I can't speak for anyone else and I'm not one of the draft guys but if I'm being honest I never looked into him and listened when people on here said he wasn't good.

Everything I've seen since says otherwise
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Old 05-02-2022, 08:11 AM   #348
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He played X last year but the MAC is like 4 steps away from NFL level CB imo. The X is almost always lined up against the best CB and on the line of scrimmage. I know he did great getting off the line against MAC CBs but I’m not sure if he has the body to do it against Elite CBs.

Almost everything I’ve read says he projects as a slot WR that can play the Z. And I agree, I don’t see his 40 time on the field like you do with Tyreek or ever Hardman.
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He played X last year but the MAC is like 4 steps away from NFL level CB imo. The X is almost always lined up against the best CB and on the line of scrimmage. I know he did great getting off the line against MAC CBs but I’m not sure if he has the body to do it against Elite CBs.

Almost everything I’ve read says he projects as a slot WR that can play the Z. And I agree, I don’t see his 40 time on the field like you do with Tyreek or ever Hardman.
You know another MAC receiver who was under 6 foot and played in the NFL? Greg Jennings.

Yeah he totally sucked at getting open against NFL CBs.
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You know another MAC receiver who was under 6 foot and played in the NFL? Greg Jennings.

Yeah he totally sucked at getting open against NFL CBs.
I think, on average, if you blanket statement it, yes most MAC WR's under that are going to struggle at the NFL level.

Case by case, you never know.

I understand where they're coming from, but measurables aren't everything.
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Old 05-02-2022, 08:21 AM   #351
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I think, on average, if you blanket statement it, yes most MAC WR's under that are going to struggle at the NFL level.

Case by case, you never know.

I understand where they're coming from, but measurables aren't everything.
Most Texas Tech QBs are going to struggle at the NFL level, too.

You take players one at a time. I'm not saying to draft MAC receivers willy-nilly just because Greg Jennings made it. I'm saying it's a horseshit argument to take the dude's height and say, "Well, it was the MAC conference, so it's going to be a big step from that to the NFL." Moore wasn't drafted because of his production, same as it would be if we took Watson from friggin NDSU. I don't see this emaw guy bagging on Watson for playing against FCS CBs.
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Old 05-02-2022, 08:26 AM   #352
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"He's to small to play WR"

How ****ing big do you guys think NFL Wr's are? I mean 6 foot is about the norm. He's what, 5'10?

This also isn't like the Lions or the Bears taking this guy. It's Andy and KC. Obviously he knows WR's pretty well.

CP is the only place that doesn't love this pick. What am I missing?
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Most Texas Tech QBs are going to struggle at the NFL level, too.

You take players one at a time. I'm not saying to draft MAC receivers willy-nilly just because Greg Jennings made it. I'm saying it's a horseshit argument to take the dude's height and say, "Well, it was the MAC conference, so it's going to be a big step from that to the NFL." Moore wasn't drafted because of his production, same as it would be if we took Watson from friggin NDSU. I don't see this emaw guy bagging on Watson for playing against FCS CBs.
Because for the most part, you'd be right. Outliers happen, but openly looking for them isn't ideal.

In the end, it's probably more luck anyway so who knows.
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Most Texas Tech QBs are going to struggle at the NFL level, too.

You take players one at a time. I'm not saying to draft MAC receivers willy-nilly just because Greg Jennings made it. I'm saying it's a horseshit argument to take the dude's height and say, "Well, it was the MAC conference, so it's going to be a big step from that to the NFL." Moore wasn't drafted because of his production, same as it would be if we took Watson from friggin NDSU. I don't see this emaw guy bagging on Watson for playing against FCS CBs.
If you ignore all the data that doesn't support my argument, it's impossible to refute my argument!
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You ****ing guys with the MAC.

Look up Antonio Brown. All of you. Now. Look at where he played. Look at his measurables. Then look at Skyy Moore.

**** you all very much.

This kid is going to be a stud. Bank it.
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"He's to small to play WR"

How ****ing big do you guys think NFL Wr's are? I mean 6 foot is about the norm. He's what, 5'10?

This also isn't like the Lions or the Bears taking this guy. It's Andy and KC. Obviously he knows WR's pretty well.

CP is the only place that doesn't love this pick. What am I missing?
The extra crazy part about that is, we had to watch WRs dropping balls more than most last year, and yet still this place overlooks hands in a WR and obsesses with size and speed.

Admittedly late in the process but I started to think KC might really love Olave. He was never the sexy trade-up prospect that others were, but what he does well should be right at the top of KC's priorities. Hands, route running and quickness, those type of things get so underrated while size and long speed gets overrated.
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The extra crazy part about that is, we had to watch WRs dropping balls more than most last year, and yet still this place overlooks hands in a WR and obsesses with size and speed.

Admittedly late in the process but I started to think KC might really love Olave. He was never the sexy trade-up prospect that others were, but what he does well should be right at the top of KC's priorities. Hands, route running and quickness, those type of things get so underrated while size and long speed gets overrated.
Amen.
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The extra crazy part about that is, we had to watch WRs dropping balls more than most last year, and yet still this place overlooks hands in a WR and obsesses with size and speed.

Admittedly late in the process but I started to think KC might really love Olave. He was never the sexy trade-up prospect that others were, but what he does well should be right at the top of KC's priorities. Hands, route running and quickness, those type of things get so underrated while size and long speed gets overrated.
I’m ecstatic we didn’t burn draft capital to trade up for a WR.

And if Kennard pans out, PM2 will have all day to throw to 4 quality receivers.
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The other thing I thought of in addition to what Cupid said is that there is a real fascination with needing to have an elite #1 guy. I hate going back to it all the time but if you look at what New England did winning for years is that they got a bunch of B and C level receivers and just spread the ball around. Their A guy was a TE. Hell, they didn't even have an A guy in the first few. They never won a Super Bowl with Randy Moss, but they sure did win them with guys like Givens and Patten or Cooks and Amendola. If you have a good QB, he'll find the open guys and make plays.
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I think, on average, if you blanket statement it, yes most MAC WR's under that are going to struggle at the NFL level.

Case by case, you never know.

I understand where they're coming from, but measurables aren't everything.
Not the ones who are drafted. There are so few MAC players drafted on day 1 or 2 that the hit rate is actually super high
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