Star Wars Episode VIII SPOILERS thread

[DaneMcCloud]

For all things Episode VIII related info including spoilers.

The release date is now December 15, 2017.

The Official Synopsis from Star Wars.com

“In Lucasfilm’s Star Wars: The Last Jedi, the Skywalker saga continues as the heroes of The Force Awakens join the galactic legends in an epic adventure that unlocks age-old mysteries of the Force and shocking revelations of the past.

Star Wars: The Last Jedi opens in U.S. theaters on December 15, 2017.”









New footage in Japanese Trailer

[temper11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's not an insult, it's the truth. Why are you insulted?

I'm not insulted. But you were insulting. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

RINGLEADER, who also works in this business, has been very critical as well.

I don't have any problem with criticism toward the movie. If we all agreed, then the discussion would get old pretty quick. The debate is part of the entertainment. Ringleader seems able to engage in this debate without throwing out the "I'm in the business card, so my opinion is more valid than yours" every time someone says why they liked the film.

I don't give a shit what you do for a living. I'm certainly not going to change my opinion of the movie because some big-time hollywood guy didn't like it. I'm also not going to change my opinion of the movie because the box office numbers weren't as big as Ep 8.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by temper11

I don't give a shit what you do for a living. I'm certainly not going to change my opinion of the movie because some big-time hollywood guy didn't like it. I'm also not going to change my opinion of the movie because the box office numbers weren't as big as Ep 8.

You've missed the point entirely.

You think the movie was a success because you liked it, plain and simple.

Disney did not expect the box office to drop off $700 million, nor did they expect the movie to be so polarizing among fans.

You're too busy defending your "opinion" to understand what I and others have said about the issues this film's performance has caused.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I thought it was great. I love Baldwin's schtick and I found it to be very creative (I don't want to give anything away). The ending was super fun, too.

The Boss Baby was also nominated for Oscar for Best Animated Film but I think Coco wins it because its story was even better, IMO, and the animation was just stunning. I've never seen anything like it before.

Meh. I thought it was just an ok movie. Nothing special.

Coco on the other hand SHOULD win because it's 100 times better than The Boss Baby.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Chazno

In that case, I just wanted to say I loved the movie. I saw it 3 times. I liked it more each time. I am thinking I'll go see it again before it leaves theaters... at least once.

I just did that last night for my 4th viewing. Figure it won't be around much longer. There were 3 other people in the theater for the late show at 10:25. This will be one I watch over and over again when it hits Blu Ray.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Meh. I thought it was just an ok movie. Nothing special.

Coco on the other hand SHOULD win because it's 100 times better than The Boss Baby.

Spoiler!

I thought the "Daydreaming" scenes were awesome. I really liked the animation and thought the ending was fantastic and really unexpected

I agree that Coco was a superior effort all around but that's not a slight on The Boss Baby.

To me, Coco was on the level of Kubo And The Two Strings, which is my favorite animated film of the past few years and it might be even better.

I'm looking forward to seeing it again once it's available on VUDU.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You've missed the point entirely.

You think the movie was a success because you liked it, plain and simple.

Disney did not expect the box office to drop off $700 million, nor did they expect the movie to be so polarizing among fans.

Jesus. When did I ever say that I thought the movie was a success "because I liked it". What kind of a narcissist would I have to be? Again, I have no earthy idea what Disney did or did not expect to clear on this movie. We are talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. They were hundreds of millions of dollars short of TFA, but still made hundreds of millions of dollars over what it cost to make the movie. I have no idea if that's a win or a loss to them. Whatever. I'm not really concerned about the well being of Disney. My guess is that they will be just fine.

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're too busy defending your "opinion" to understand what I and others have said about the issues this film's performance has caused.

IT'S AN INTERNET DISCUSSION BOARD! People point out what they didn't like, if I disagree I tell them why I disagree... they do the same based on what I liked and didn't like. That's what these things are for. Maybe you should make a new thread for just you and Ringleader to talk about what a disaster this movie is for Disney and those who are interested can lurk in there - because they certainly wouldn't be qualified to post - heaven forbid.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by temper11

Jesus. Maybe you should make a new thread for just you and Ringleader to talk about what a disaster this movie is for Disney and those who are interested can lurk in there - because they certainly wouldn't be qualified to post - heaven forbid.

More butthurt.

And to think, your comments and butthurt in this forum are all due to Alex Smith.

Lovely.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

More butthurt.

And to think, your comments and butthurt in this forum are all due to Alex Smith.

Lovely.

[Tribal Warfare]

https://nerdist.com/the-last-jedi-ha...-novelization/

[temper11]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

To me, Coco was on the level of Kubo And The Two Strings, which is my favorite animated film of the past few years and it might be even better.

I'm looking forward to seeing it again once it's available on VUDU.

Shhh... I think you aren't supposed to like this Dane... it under-performed at the box office.

Kubo’s Box Office Performance Hides Bigger Troubles
September 2nd, 2016 Charles Kenny

Coming from a studio with an established track record in making uniquely crafted stop-motion films, and with a story this is much more interesting than most of the other summer fare, Kubo and the Two Strings ought to be a home run of a film. Its failure to become a smash hit however hides bigger troubles with audiences in general.

Laika’s previous films were always popular additions to the annual box office in a sea of CGI films and sequels. Kubo is their most ambitious to date in both a technical and storywise sense and despite the associated risk, critics and audiences alike who saw it, tend to agree that it’s one of the year’s best.

So why have audiences in general failed to show up?

There is nothing inherently wrong with Laika’s release strategy despite a noticeable lack of merchandise or marketing tie-ins (Burger King Kid’s Meal toys excepted). The film itself is basically sound, and it’s target audience is barely back in school yet. Rather, Kubo’s uniqueness may be its undoing. Aside from being stop-motion in composition and having a more mystical style of storytelling, the film’s attempts to stand out may not be what audiences are actually looking for.

We hear about how audiences want something new and unique all the time, but the reality is that they almost never want something truly new and truly unique.

Full article

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Beyond that though, that's not the story. Luke's journey was to become a Jedi so he could become a hero. However, Jedi's have failed spectacularly over the course of time so being a Jedi isn't necessarily the path to success. Rey becoming herself is the story and her path to success. Luke failed because his decisions were driven by the ideas of what a Jedi would do. Rey has to become herself and do what is right against her own moral matrix as opposed to a conceived idea of a hero.

Is it likely that she could become as proficient as she is without mental training? I don't know - I'm not a combat guy, but I get the overall picture of what the movie is trying to say and it really resonates with me.

It's not concerning success but knowledge of the transmaterial of The Force to compare to sports it's like Tom Brady being able to run an NFL offense with HOF proficiency against an Elite Defense straight out of high school or the 1980 The American Gold Medal Hockey Team

beating THE USSR Hockey Team with no practice.
Rian Johnson fostered Rey with no direction with no internal pitfalls that would lay waste her morality or drive to be great. The only thing we got was you came from nowhere and her eyes welled up

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by temper11

Shhh... I think you aren't supposed to like this Dane... it under-performed at the box office.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It's not concerning success but knowledge of the transmaterial of The Force to compare to sports it's like Tom Brady being able to run an NFL offense with HOF proficiency against an Elite Defense straight out of high school or the 1980 The American Gold Medal Hockey Team

beating THE USSR Hockey Team with no practice.
Rian Johnson fostered Rey with no direction with no internal pitfalls that would lay waste her morality or drive to be great. The only thing we got was you came from nowhere and her eyes welled up

There was absolutely zero character development in the film, other than learning Luke's backstory since ROTJ, which was unavoidable.

[Hammock Parties]

1.3 billion

disastrous!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by temper11

And along comes Dane with his insults. I'm just a guy that reads fan sites that I agree with? Wut? I've read a ton of sites/posts and listened to vids from both sides, including just about every single one of your posts, because I find the discussion interesting and entertaining. That's the point of discussion site.

There are all sorts of metrics showing the movie was a problem. Domestic box office is way down. Foreign box office is way down. Consumer reviews were down. Movie tie ins (toys, etc...) suffered down sales. And, for all of them, among others, too much of the fanboy response here has been to attack the messengers, ignore the reality, and pretend that even the most obvious problems with the movie really aren't problems at all.

I saw this same sort of thing with the DC movies, here in this forum. It's an interesting dynamic, but it really doesn't help people to get an honest take on the movies.