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Old 01-13-2023, 12:17 PM   #35761
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A non-QB.

The tweet just says 14 of the last 15 MVPs were 1st team AP quarterbacks.

Didn't Watt win it one year?

Edit: nope, it was Adrian Peterson on 2012.
I see. I misread that some. Thought it said 14 of the last 15 QBs were first team All Pro and one the lone QB wasn’t.
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Old 01-13-2023, 12:19 PM   #35762
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Elway won the MVP in 87 while Montana was first team all pro...Elway was actually never 1st team all pro.
That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
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Old 01-13-2023, 12:20 PM   #35763
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That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
A lot of similar complaints about MVP vs OPotY as well. You'd think the MVP would be the OPotY every time.
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Old 01-13-2023, 12:21 PM   #35764
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I remember listening to an episode of New Heights and the Kelce Brothers called the MVP award as Most Valuable Passer. I wonder if any non QB ever wins that award again and if so what would it take. I believe that had Jefferson broken Megatron’s receiving record he still would not have finished higher that 3 or 4 in the voting.
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That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
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And I believe Desmond Howard won SB MVP that year, no?

So Pat will be the only person to ever win 2 MVPs and a SB MVP along with multiple 1AP awards before turning 28.

Guy's gonna own every record there is to own. He's going to Marino the record books.
Let's just make it 2 superbowl MVPs with the one we're abut to win!
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Brady has 3 and Rodgers has 4 so he's coming up on them..
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Reread it. It's not the bills I'm "piss pants scared" about.
Seriously...if you watched the Pats Bills game Sunday...you got a little taste of what's coming.
That missed offsides call was one of the worst I've ever seen.
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Read what Mecca wrote and my response to that. How could Elway be good enough to win MVP, but not be first team All Pro.
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Seriously...if you watched the Pats Bills game Sunday...you got a little taste of what's coming.
That missed offsides call was one of the worst I've ever seen.
It wasn’t the missed offsides call that cost the Pats that game. It was giving up not one, but two kickoff returns for TDs.
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So Pat got 49/50 1st Team All Pro votes for QB from the AP media (a lot of same guys that vote on MVP)

Guess that tells you who your MVP is. (even though we already suspected as much)

I didn't figure it would be unanimous, though. Knew there would be a couple reeruns who voted for Hurts. Allen may even get a sympathy vote.

Oh well.

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It looks like the all pro voters recognized a mediocre quarterback when they saw one.
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I didn't figure it would be unanimous, though. Knew there would be a couple reeruns who voted for Hurts. Allen may even get a sympathy vote.
There isn't a single stat or narrative you can point to that would make Allen your MVP over Mahomes.

Mahomes had more total yards, higher completion %, higher passer rating, higher YPA, fewer INTs, fewer fumbles, more wins, #1 seed.

I mean, I suppose Allen's got the head-to-head over Mahomes but that is all I can think of. Burrow's got a stronger MVP case than Allen at this point.
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