*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****

[Dante84]

IT ****ING HAPPENED



OP UPDATE:

Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy!

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic

Speak for yourself. I have often rescued a round by doing some drills on the tee box. Like using my golf towel to make sure I am keeping my head down, etc.

For reference, my low round is 76, but I usually shoot in the low 80s, and at one time was a 10 handicap. I have seen many golfers use drills during the round.

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Best way I found to fix my swing on the course is with Booz lol , it depends on the person n my swing would be considered natural and sang by feel so trying not o get mechanical ****s me up , Pat doesn’t play the game like a Robot he plays by feel he needs to get out the f his head to play well .

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

He didn't get to where he is today by having perfect footwork and mechanics.

Mahomes cares, or he wouldn't have mentioned it in his press conference.

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[Rainbarrel]

NFL MVP odds 2022: Week 18

Patrick Mahomes, QB, Chiefs: -800 (was -500)
Joe Burrow, QB, Bengals: +750 (was +700)
Josh Allen, QB, Bills: +1000 (was +1000)
Jalen Hurts, QB, Eagles: +1600 (was +1000)
Justin Jefferson, WR, Vikings: +5000 (was +13000)

[O.city]

Live I thought maybe Moore was supposed to sit in this vertical space on the Seam route. Thought maybe the QB was throwing him short for that reason..

Looks like just a missed throw as the QB already moved the deep S and forced him to flip his hips.. this coulda easily been 6. pic.twitter.com/Ygtr7CLL8U

— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) January 3, 2023

[O.city]

That's a terrible throw, due to footwork. That's a perfect pocket, stand in there and hit MOore and that's 6.

[Hammock Parties]

mahomes waffled between utterly great and shit in that game

[PHOG]

Yeah, there were a few wtf throws.

[O.city]

So many throws from the air or off the front foot..

Good to see KC work in some double-moves though, they consistently created separation just up to the players to execute now. pic.twitter.com/RJtMOdwWM6

— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) January 3, 2023

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's a terrible throw, due to footwork. That's a perfect pocket, stand in there and hit MOore and that's 6.

He makes so many off balance throws that it's hard to say what is "good mechanics" for him.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

That's a terrible throw, due to footwork. That's a perfect pocket, stand in there and hit MOore and that's 6.

I don't think that's a pure 'footwork' problem - ball went right where he was aiming.

I mean it's footwork to the extent that his front foot 'aimed' at where Moore was standing rather than where he was headed, but ultimately he still kept a decent base. His mechanics were fine; he could've bent his front knee and rotated his hips a little bit for more velocity, but it wouldn't have impacted its direction.

He just aimed at a bad spot. Or perhaps Moore was supposed to sit on the route; hard to say.

But I don't see a real footwork issue there. Mahomes throws balls like that a dozen times in any given week. I think Lane is seeing an issue, at least on that throw, that isn't really there. I mean c'mon - what even is 'throwing off the front foot'? That's what you're supposed to do, weight transfer from the back leg to the front foot. I typically drag my back foot up towards my front foot on my release, but that's just some weird habit I picked up as a kid and isn't really necessary.

If there's a mechanics problem with that throw at all, it's that he didn't finish with his top half. He doesn't bring his throwing shoulder through the throw. It's like a pitcher 'coming open' on a pitch so the throwing arm lags a bit and you sail the ball high and armside. I see a little bit of that in that throw, but that's not the fundamental problem.

The fundamental problem was that he just aimed at the wrong point and seemed to have possibly recognized that as he was releasing so he 'guided' the ball (hence the weird finish). That's what took the heat off the ball that had it dying on him as it got to Moore.

I think Lane has the analysis completely wrong there.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think that's a pure 'footwork' problem - ball went right where he was aiming.

I mean it's footwork to the extent that his front foot 'aimed' at where Moore was standing rather than where he was headed, but ultimately he still kept a decent base. His mechanics were fine; he could've bent his front knee and rotated his hips a little bit for more velocity, but it would've have impacted its direction.

He just aimed at a bad spot. Or perhaps Moore was supposed to sit on the route; hard to say.

But I don't see a real footwork issue there. Mahomes throws balls like that a dozen times in any given week. I think Lane is seeing an issue, at least on that throw, that isn't really there. I mean c'mon - what even is 'throwing off the front foot'? That's what you're supposed to do, weight transfer from the back leg to the front foot. I typically drag my back foot up towards my front foot on my release, but that's just some weird habit I picked up as a kid and isn't really necessary.

If there's a mechanics problem with that throw at all, it's that he didn't finish with his top half. He doesn't bring his throwing shoulder through the throw. It's like a pitcher 'coming open' on a pitch so the throwing arm lags a bit and you sail the ball high and armside. I see a little bit of that in that throw, but that's not the fundamental problem.

The fundamental problem was that he just aimed at the wrong point and seemed to have possibly recognized that as he was releasing so he 'guided' the ball (hence the weird finish). That's what took the heat off the ball that had it dying on him as it got to Moore.

I think Lane has the analysis completely wrong there.

His plant foot is facing down the opposite hash. I understand he can do miraculous things with that stuff, but that just lead to it being a tic off. I think his stride tends to get a bit long but that tends to lead to high throws which we don't see as much.

More so, it seems to be some indecision. Alot of these clips seem to show the OL playing pretty well and he's just not comfortable

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Live I thought maybe Moore was supposed to sit in this vertical space on the Seam route. Thought maybe the QB was throwing him short for that reason..

Looks like just a missed throw as the QB already moved the deep S and forced him to flip his hips.. this coulda easily been 6. pic.twitter.com/Ygtr7CLL8U

— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) January 3, 2023

Mahomes also missed MVS on another potential big play. You can see why Andy didn’t run the ball as much. They were playing man coverage a lot.

It’s getting really frustrating though. This team should have destroyed Denver but kept making stupid mistakes.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

His plant foot is facing down the opposite hash. I understand he can do miraculous things with that stuff, but that just lead to it being a tic off. I think his stride tends to get a bit long but that tends to lead to high throws which we don't see as much.

More so, it seems to be some indecision. Alot of these clips seem to show the OL playing pretty well and he's just not comfortable

Your plant foot doesn't 'aim'. It's just a pivot point. The only way your back foot impacts your accuracy is if you're doing something really weird with it like burying your heel and locking up your rotation; again creating that 'late off' condition where the ball sails high and armside. He didn't do that here.

This all comes down to where his front foot landed. Draw a line from his back foot, through his front foot and down the field - it's exactly where the ball went. He threw where he was aiming.

His drop back was perfect; straight down the hash. He hit the back of his drop back, planted his back foot and fired. He didn't look uncomfortable at all there until he shortened his follow through. And ultimately that's far more likely to be a result of him trying to guide a throw with his top half because he had the wrong aim point with his bottom half.

Usually when your top half is wonky, it's because your brain was trying to compensate on the fly for something you've done wrong with your bottom half. I've had it happen when the IF has shifted and I've kinda forgotten where I was on the field as I flipped my feet to throw to a bag. And usually it yields bad things but its also typically better than just firing the ball off to the hinterlands because that's where your feet were pointing.

I think that's what Mahomes was trying to do there with his weird release. He recognized that he stepped to the wrong spot (and maybe it's because he didn't expect the safety to have sold out that hard) and was trying to adjust the throw as his arm was coming through. I'm betting even HE wasn't making a conscious decision at the time. He probably couldn't tell you 'what he was thinking' as he was releasing because he wasn't really thinking; his body was just reacting to what his eyes saw.

I don't think that specific play was a comfort issue, nor do I think it was a strict mechanics issue. He just didn't aim at an ideal spot. We have no way to know if it was the route or the actions of the safety that created the confusion, but I think it's a far simpler analysis than is being done here.

Because there's nothing inherently wrong in how he made that throw.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Mahomes also missed MVS on another potential big play. You can see why Andy didn’t run the ball as much. They were playing man coverage a lot.

It’s getting really frustrating though. This team should have destroyed Denver but kept making stupid mistakes.

The MVS throw was a timing issue. You could see it developing from the stands - Mahomes made that throw before MVS made his break and I don't know if he expected a cleaner release from MVS or just overheated the pass, but he threw it before MVS was open and it would've been an amazing play (the anticipation was spectacular) - he just led him too far.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Your plant foot doesn't 'aim'. It's just a pivot point. The only way your back foot impacts your accuracy is if you're doing something really weird with it like burying your heel and locking up your rotation; again creating that 'late off' condition where the ball sails high and armside. He didn't do that here.

This all comes down to where his front foot landed. Draw a line from his back foot, through his front foot and down the field - it's exactly where the ball went. He threw where he was aiming.

His drop back was perfect; straight down the hash. He hit the back of his drop back, planted his back foot and fired. He didn't look uncomfortable at all there until he shortened his follow through. And ultimately that's far more likely to be a result of him trying to guide a throw with his top half because he had the wrong aim point with his bottom half.

Usually when your top half is wonky, it's because your brain was trying to compensate on the fly for something you've done wrong with your bottom half. I've had it happen when the IF has shifted and I've kinda forgotten where I was on the field as I flipped my feet to throw to a bag. And usually it yields bad things but its also typically better than just firing the ball off to the hinterlands because that's where your feet were pointing.

I think that's what Mahomes was trying to do there with his weird release. He recognized that he stepped to the wrong spot (and maybe it's because he didn't expect the safety to have sold out that hard) and was trying to adjust the throw as his arm was coming through. I'm betting even HE wasn't making a conscious decision at the time. He probably couldn't tell you 'what he was thinking' as he was releasing because he wasn't really thinking; his body was just reacting to what his eyes saw.

I don't think that specific play was a comfort issue, nor do I think it was a strict mechanics issue. He just didn't aim at an ideal spot. We have no way to know if it was the route or the actions of the safety that created the confusion, but I think it's a far simpler analysis than is being done here.

Because there's nothing inherently wrong in how he made that throw.

Coverage wise, looking at what we see, why would Moore sit in that hole instead of run thru it? And if that's the case, why throw low and behind?

His initial step with the front foot was fine, but he step skipped it and ended up throwing it like an RPo.