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*****The Patrick Mahomes Thread*****
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OP UPDATE: Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! Last edited by Dante84; 05-17-2017 at 09:40 AM.. |
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NFL MVP odds 2022: Week 18
Patrick Mahomes, QB, Chiefs: -800 (was -500) Joe Burrow, QB, Bengals: +750 (was +700) Josh Allen, QB, Bills: +1000 (was +1000) Jalen Hurts, QB, Eagles: +1600 (was +1000) Justin Jefferson, WR, Vikings: +5000 (was +13000) |
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That's a terrible throw, due to footwork. That's a perfect pocket, stand in there and hit MOore and that's 6.
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01-03-2023, 08:51 AM | #35586 |
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mahomes waffled between utterly great and shit in that game
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Yeah, there were a few wtf throws.
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01-03-2023, 10:08 AM | #35588 |
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I mean it's footwork to the extent that his front foot 'aimed' at where Moore was standing rather than where he was headed, but ultimately he still kept a decent base. His mechanics were fine; he could've bent his front knee and rotated his hips a little bit for more velocity, but it wouldn't have impacted its direction. He just aimed at a bad spot. Or perhaps Moore was supposed to sit on the route; hard to say. But I don't see a real footwork issue there. Mahomes throws balls like that a dozen times in any given week. I think Lane is seeing an issue, at least on that throw, that isn't really there. I mean c'mon - what even is 'throwing off the front foot'? That's what you're supposed to do, weight transfer from the back leg to the front foot. I typically drag my back foot up towards my front foot on my release, but that's just some weird habit I picked up as a kid and isn't really necessary. If there's a mechanics problem with that throw at all, it's that he didn't finish with his top half. He doesn't bring his throwing shoulder through the throw. It's like a pitcher 'coming open' on a pitch so the throwing arm lags a bit and you sail the ball high and armside. I see a little bit of that in that throw, but that's not the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem was that he just aimed at the wrong point and seemed to have possibly recognized that as he was releasing so he 'guided' the ball (hence the weird finish). That's what took the heat off the ball that had it dying on him as it got to Moore. I think Lane has the analysis completely wrong there.
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More so, it seems to be some indecision. Alot of these clips seem to show the OL playing pretty well and he's just not comfortable |
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This all comes down to where his front foot landed. Draw a line from his back foot, through his front foot and down the field - it's exactly where the ball went. He threw where he was aiming. His drop back was perfect; straight down the hash. He hit the back of his drop back, planted his back foot and fired. He didn't look uncomfortable at all there until he shortened his follow through. And ultimately that's far more likely to be a result of him trying to guide a throw with his top half because he had the wrong aim point with his bottom half. Usually when your top half is wonky, it's because your brain was trying to compensate on the fly for something you've done wrong with your bottom half. I've had it happen when the IF has shifted and I've kinda forgotten where I was on the field as I flipped my feet to throw to a bag. And usually it yields bad things but its also typically better than just firing the ball off to the hinterlands because that's where your feet were pointing. I think that's what Mahomes was trying to do there with his weird release. He recognized that he stepped to the wrong spot (and maybe it's because he didn't expect the safety to have sold out that hard) and was trying to adjust the throw as his arm was coming through. I'm betting even HE wasn't making a conscious decision at the time. He probably couldn't tell you 'what he was thinking' as he was releasing because he wasn't really thinking; his body was just reacting to what his eyes saw. I don't think that specific play was a comfort issue, nor do I think it was a strict mechanics issue. He just didn't aim at an ideal spot. We have no way to know if it was the route or the actions of the safety that created the confusion, but I think it's a far simpler analysis than is being done here. Because there's nothing inherently wrong in how he made that throw.
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The MVS throw was a timing issue. You could see it developing from the stands - Mahomes made that throw before MVS made his break and I don't know if he expected a cleaner release from MVS or just overheated the pass, but he threw it before MVS was open and it would've been an amazing play (the anticipation was spectacular) - he just led him too far.
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His initial step with the front foot was fine, but he step skipped it and ended up throwing it like an RPo. |
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